Compression ratio....amazing what you learn

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by paulandchez, May 30, 2015.

  1. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    I'm not surprised, by your figures I knew you must be introducing errors somewhere. :lol:
     
  2. It's magic ;)...

    It doesn't know about small differences in combustion chamber volumes or deck height, but it can keep an eye on triggering of the ignition as the crank goes round. If a cylinder has slightly more compression/power, the next "ignition request" will come slightly sooner as that cylinder shoves the crank around a bit faster. Likewise for cylinders down on power: the gap will be longer. By manipulating the timing advance slightly on a per-cylinder basis, it can try and even things out. You wouldn't think something electronic could compensate for mechanical differences, but it can.
     
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  3. Any thoughts on what I should do then? I'm guessing my options are limited to either different Pistons or different heads?

    Or just accept a low ratio?
     
  4. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Has @MorkC68 CC'd his 1800 heads? You can bet he has, I wonder what CC's he found. :)
    You could have the heads flycut to reduce the CR if you know what CC's you want them.
    I'm guessing you've found that there are engine calculators on the internet. I use this one. An interesting though somewhat abandoned site while you're there.
    http://johnmaherracing.com/calculators/engine-calculator/
     
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  5. I was hoping @MorkC68 would be along soon because if he hasn't already, I bet he will soon.

    I used the calculator on CB Perfomance site, which looks exactly the same. But I also did the calls by hand and calculator too.
     
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  6. Wouldn't I need to reduce the chamber size to get a better ratio? Or do you mean cut the lip the barrel sits on effectively moving the valves nearer?
     
  7. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Exactly that, If you imagine your round disc being lower = less volume. Material can also be taken from the flat area to retain the lip as it will still reduce the volume as the kidney shaped combustion chamber gets smaller. If I did it, it would be trial and error, but for someone who has done perhaps thousands, they would know how to approach it.
     
  8. Make sure you have 1mm of deck height and just stick it together and run it ...it will run great ..otherwise you will have to change to flat top pistons or domed pistons ....you have low comp pistons
     
  9. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator


    You called :D

    I've not got that far yet - I had to take a side step with the old 41 x 34 heads I had, one was poorly welded and cracked. I've got a pair of AMC heads, brand new so, once I've got the Pistons fitted up and the deck height sorted, I'll cc them!

    Gusbus threw a few niggles at us & delayed us a little :)
     
  10. My heads are AMC ones too from my 2ltr CU. they've got the 39mm and 33mm valves. They're all measuring 56cc's and I've just checked the original VW ones the AP had and they're measuring 57cc
     
  11. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    It'll be the same then assuming you had low compression pistons when you dismantled?
     
  12. I suppose there is the fact that I'm working with a 40 yr old engine that will have about 70bhp at the most....so is this all really worth it?

    I could just throw it all together, but since it stands me at about a grand, I wanted to try and make it the best I could, making sure I didn't wreck the thing
     
  13. The old b&p's were dished too, so I suppose so yeah. I've no idea what it ran like before though
     
  14. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    Mine are identical sized valves, the heads are new though, I don't have any old ones to compare with mind. Paul (W) had them both from me as he had a plan :D

    I will cc them though, to see how mine fare against yours!

    Tomorrow Ill have a look what the old pistons where, I think they could be flat top but I cant be certain :eek:
     
  15. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    @paulandchez

    Did you put barrel shims on when you fitted the pistons and barrels?

    I have been checking the deck height tonight - Wilson suggests between 1 and 2mm, when we did ours (96mm AA P & b's) we got a variation of minimum 1.50mm to a maximum of 1.56mm across all four, without paper gaskets or barrel shims (I haven't got any).

    Ill have a look at cc'ing the combustion chambers tomorrow. By the sounds of it, my heads will be close to yours, 56cc.

    According to the link Steve posted on the John Maher website, Ill have a compression ratio of 8.2:1 if it is 56cc!
     
  16. I'm trying to figure out the ideal shim thicknesses. What stroke have you got and are your pistons dished like mine?

    I'm almost decided I'm going to do what @lhu1281 suggested and make sure I have valve clearance and just go with it. I need to get this bus running again so we can get away at weekends asap
     
  17. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    The stroke is 66, flat top pistons with 96mm diameter (1911cc)

    I don't have barrel shims but the deck height was slap bang in the middle at 1.5mm (TW says 1mm min to 2mm max) - Im gonna seal the barrels and fit as is!

    :D
     
  18. That's the difference then. Flat top pistons and 3 mm bigger bore ups your compression compared to mine. I have to put shims under mine as the pistons go too close to the top of the barrels without. 2 actually go past the end slightly!
     
  19. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    that sounds plausible!
     

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