..car tax changes..

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by areksilverfish, Dec 17, 2020.

  1. Yeah, I can’t help with the specifics mate as I don’t know the location. But, from what you say, it’s sounds like the guy on the bike was an unreasonable divot. I’m just not sure ascribing behaviour to mode of transport is helpful in any way. People, and let’s be honest, mainly men, can be bloody awful to each other in a whole range of ways regardless of whether they’re riding, driving, rolling or walking.
     
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  2. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    High speed cyclists in lycra racing themseelves on the canal tow path are a problem too. Give a cyclist an inch and they... race... ringing bells and expecting people to jump oit of the way.

    It's selfishness, the same people are probably selfish car drivers.
     
  3. Difficult to say without knowing the location. In the town close to where I live there are a number of "cycle lanes" the problem is they consist of short sections that dont really join up, so if you ride the short sections you are suddenly forced into the road, as a result I usually just ride on the road undoubtedly safer. Another one goes up and down hill, over the standard tarmac they laid some of their red cycle lane tarmac the trouble was they laid it across the road making ridges every 5 feet, making it uncomfortable to ride, not surprisingly most cyclist move onto the flat tarmac in the centre of the road. A lot of councils dont really care or understand but they have done their bit for sustainability at least they are able to tick that one off in their list of objectives.
     
  4. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    Good point...I only ride off road now as the roads around my way are too dangerous to ride on in my opinion....but I don’t expect people to get out if my way.

    Many cyclists do, as you mention, ring their bells and assume you as a pedestrian get out if their way, yet if you steam up to them in your car beeping your horn...cue YouTube videos from multiple angles.

    Same with joggers, assumption is they have right if way and pedestrians can bog off.
     
  5. areksilverfish

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    ..yes I probably have not chosen the best written article..my bad..but it’s not about an article but the government sooner or later will hit us motorists with another charges but this time it will be a BIG hit..as always poor ppl and motorists as an easiest target..I’m not gonna elaborate with my crappy english about electric vihicles, climat changes or cyclists paths..my point was we as car enthusiasts or users (well, at least some of us) might be forced off roads due to those greedy new rules (if they eventually come in place)..I consider myself as a petrol head since I was a kid cars were always around me..every job I done in my life was somewhat about motors..Im driving for living, I do about 50-60000 miles a year in my all vihicles including my work van..now one of my main pleasures in my life is driving especially my bus..I plan on doing some short and long jurneys as long as my bus and I can..if those rules would come in place I most likely will be forced off road as many ppl around..our buses as most classic vehicles might become wortless and just being a „museum” items..it is defo not the world I want to live in...
    BTW to not b so pessimistic I going to start my bus up today and sit in it for a while thinking about next years adventures


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  6. that first article is absolute garbage. speculation and guess work, scaremongering and none of their calculations add up.

    ..there is one element of truth though, the tax system will have to change - its all based on revenues from petrol and diesel with freebies (discount) to encourage ev take up. This can't work if everyone is running EVs.
     
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  8. Dub and Dubber

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  9. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Supporter

    Something will have to be done in order to recoup the loss in revenue from diesel and petrol cars, currently around £30 Billion a year. Taxing electricity is a no no so some sort of road pricing / /pay per mile scheme is the logical solution. There will have to be some allowance for the rural community though, I live in the middle of nowhere and have to drive 12 miles to my nearest bus stop or 15 miles to buy food. Either the Government will have to provide me with a bus service or allow me 24 "free" miles a day.

    Coupled with an almost certain large increase in unemployment in the car making industry, (a lot less people required to build an EV), filling stations and garages, the inevitable collapse in retail, cinemas will probably be history (studios going direct to stream) and the financial hangover from Covid there are some late night pencil sharpening exercises ahead for future Chancellors of the Exchequer.
     
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  10. I think that it might be possible to detect whether electricity is being used to charge a car using a smartmeter, if I'm remembering something I read a while ago correctly.
    There will be a significant tax shortfall due to far less fossil fuel usage, my guess is some sort of road pricing, which has been bandied about for many years now.
     
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  11. I think you’re absolutely correct. Autonomous vehicles will probably be with us in a generation or two which will trigger further job losses and an end to the car insurance rip off. Mass use of EVs - even hybrids - will makes current road recovery business models unviable too. My money would be on state pensions taking a significant hit. Politically difficult to do but it’s such a massive part of the benefits budget, it can’t survive in its current form. Despite the current government’s tentative steps toward addressing climate change, they’ve not even nearly begun to take it seriously - in policy terms I mean. This, in my humble view, is the major change our society will face over the next 20-30 years.
     
  12. You’re right. The EV charge points are effectively second smart meters and can be set at a higher or lower cost rate per kw/h of charge. Depends on your supplier how much obvs. Mine is currently cheaper than the standard tariff I pay to boil the kettle by about a 1/3. You’ll also know that many people have solar panels and other home-based systems and that EVs generate power themselves through the regenerative braking. So, yes, a per mile charge is more likely than at the ‘pump’ as there’s too many ways to avoid the pump. Sorry, a bit of a pet subject of mine this...
     
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  13. Electric vehicles are free of the "road tax"* at the moment - this to encourage their use over IC engined cars. I would think that by 2030 , when there are no more new IC cars being made - that the "road tax" * would then be reinstated on all road vehicles no matter what their energy source.
    * note that it hasn't actually been a road tax for a long time - the tax raised it is not spent on roads at all - so it is just a vehicle tax which goes into the general "tax pot".
    Fuel tax levy on petrol/diesel could be replaced with an metered charge on all car charging points whether at a garage or at home, but 75p per mile is a bit extreme - mind you - 75p in 20 years time would be about 10p at today's value.
     
  14. Why can't we not use Moonshine as a fuel! :thinking:
     
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  15. You probably could. A VW engine was designed to run on any old carp anyway. I'd certainly try.
     
  16. Fruitcake

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    There are big societal changes coming in the next 15-20 years. In previous times when industries, skills etc have become redundant there has always been something to maintain mass employment, not to mention 2 World Wars removing large numbers of working age men, this time however feels different. Varying degrees of automation has reduced employment over the past 20 years but it has been mopped up by retail which in itself is rapidly disappearing with nothing on the horizon. For every 20 unskilled/semi skilled jobs being lost there's only 1 skilled replacement.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we all end up on a Universal Basic Income, either that or a mass cull courtesy of a global war or pandemic (surely not!)
     
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  17. @Pickles people that have office jobs should cycle to work i agree!.
     
  18. crossy2112

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    Troll :rolleyes:

    Is there no tarmac to put down:)
     
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  19. yeah whatever
     
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