Can I attach prototype bay hubs, to a late bay?

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by JAMA, Oct 1, 2013.

  1. I have seen this asked before, but I couldn`t find the thread? Just love the Hub look...

    thanks in advance
     
  2. Hubs or hub caps? lol
     
  3. rickyrooo1

    rickyrooo1 Hanging round like a bad smell

    as in you want the different wheel pcd?
     
  4. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    No need, you can get wheel adapters, but if you want the hubs too, it's drum brakes all round.
     
  5. I've been trying to get vw narrow 5 to wide 5 adaptors with no joy at all.....got a set of wide 5 steelies with moon caps i want to run. Any idea who supplies the adaptors?
    I had some made for my caddy to run wide 5's and it was pricey!
     
  6. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Sorry I don't know. Try asking on earlybay? There must be people there who've changed to late disc hubs and still running the wide pattern wheels.
     
  7. because the size difference is big you need a decent thick bit of steel and i don`t think they are recomended (nor are normal wheel adaptors really ) , you can get them i think username butty on VZI makes them or i have seen them on ebay
     
  8. 10 - 15 mm plate is what i was recommended to use when i had them made for my caddy. I went with 10mm and its been fine for the 2 years i've been running them :)
    I'll have a look on Vzi then.....there was a guy on Ebay that was doing them but hes stopped doing the narrow5 ones.....he's only doing beetle to wide5 ones now.
     
  9. most bus ones are 25mm and the thinist i`ve seen is 19mm, with 10mm you must be using countersink screws ?
     
  10. Nope........my caddy is 4x100 so the space in the middle of a wide 5 steel allows for the use of regular M14 wheel bolts through the adaptor plate into the hub :)
     
  11. so the 10mm plate is fixed to the hub with m14 wheel bolts and the wheels bolt into the 10mm plate ?
    i`m having a blone moment i think
     
  12. Lol yep, thats about the size of it :) Works well, but the adaptors are plate steel and weigh a frikkin ton!
     
  13. Interesting question. Presumably the brakes on your bus are far too good and you want to develop some decent thigh muscles.

    Wide 5 wheels look lovely I think but I can't imagine them on a proper bay (they did drop them during the prototype test process after all circa 1971)
     
  14. True..... But then they also turned the mk1 golf.... Arguably one of the best small hatches ever produced.... Into the mk3 golf..... Arguably one of the worst lol
     
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  15. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    Before you go bolting a housebrick or two to your wheels ... remember that adding mass to the wheel or hub affects roadholding in a negative way.. a pity because it would look cool.
    If you only ever drive at pottering speed and never go round corners fast it will be ok but it will reduce safety.

    The increased unsprung mass means the rate at which the wheel can accelerate downwards after a bump is reduced as it is inversely proportional to the unsprung mass in the supension.
    Your wheels spend more time off the ground or skidding on bumpy corners.
    Unsprung mass is bad. Which is why alloy wheels began life as a way of reducing this weight for wider tyres although a pressed steel wheel with standard tyre is usually lighter.
    I suspect that once the need to fit wheels to splittie reduction boxes stopped then the switch to narrow pattern helped improve roadholding by replacing cast iron lumps in the hubs with lighter pressed steel in the wheels.
    Its one of the reasons why performance electric cars dont generally use motors in the hubs but tend to keep the driveshafts and universal joints so the electric motors arent keeping the wheels flying after bumps.
     
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  16. Can't say i've noticed a great deal, but then i generally don't exceed motorway speeds. I fitted them knocking on for 2 years ago, and apart from the tyres catching the arches on heavy bumps (its also really low) i've not had any other problems and it looks lovely with the dome caps and whitewalls :D 7644614904_63c9e71631_c.jpg
     
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  17. That is very nice indeed
     
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