All these Don't let unfounded scare stories win the day, I really have no idea why people still want to be joined to a failing bankrupt experiment that costs us more than we get out and is over bloated with un elected faceless bureaucracts. we will still be in Europe just not the E.U, we are their biggest consumer and they need us more that we need them, Most of Europe is out of work, There are no jobs, we have made our country what it is today in spite of the E.U not because of it, It's failed and will drag us down the pan unless we get out. We end up with other countries jobless coming here dragging down our wages, our people who generally live in Europe are professionals who work for big international companies or retired people with money
no...not at all. There are any number of potential trading partners (as mentioned) but in terms of the quality and the 'real costs' to produce those goods/services (exploitation of workforce, social impact, environmental degradation etc.) I think it is far better (and ultimately more sustainable) to know that the goods/services we consume have been produced with minimal detriment, and are traded fairly...hence the need to regulate.
The whole purpose of Europe was an agenda to end war in Europe and remove national identity..one big country and laws to govern each 'nation'. They didn't tell the population of their plan. Our economy won't be affected, there's isn't going to be a block on imports or exports, Aldi won't get kicked out of the UK. The big multinationals want cheap labour on their working terms. Why drive all those strawberries to Poland and back just to be packed into cartons when you can bring the workforce here on crappy contracts, why else would they advertise abroad for employees? How about paying a decent wage to everybody so even the low paid can buy a house or even rent it off their own back? No country is interested in a big EU unless they themselves have something to gain. Ireland received billions in priority 1 financial aid to bring it up to standard. The moment Eastern Europe wanted to join the EU, they tried to block those countries from joining in fear of loosing their financial aid. Eastern Europe don't want us to leave because they are delighted that we are giving their citizens benefits to send back home. Germany want immigrants because their population is not growing and they need a future labour force.
No they didn't, we had roads and a very advanced society before the Romans arrived. Unfortunately we didn't write our own history to prove it.
Yeah, obviously... I was wondering specifically why @bode wasn't able to really - I mean there are ways in if you have the right skills, and if you don't there's always retraining... as long as you meet the other criteria.... ...I guess my point is, we assume that it's easy for people to move here from a poor part of the EU. OK so they're allowed to, but in order to do it they have to (at the very least) get themselves over here. Not necessarily easy if you're broke. You need some kind of a plan, a skill would help. And if you're going to have half a chance of a decent life, you really need to learn the language. Finally, you really need a few quid in your pocket before you go unless you fancy sleeping rough. Let's say I wanted to move to Australia - I reckon I could if I really wanted - I'd probably need to do some work on my CV. Maybe put in a couple of years in a job I didn't want to do. I'd need to sell the house and the camper and say goodbye to my extended family and friends... In either case there are hurdles. The kind of people that are able to jump those hurdles are probably not the sort to sit on their arse watching tv waiting for the next dole cheque... Anyway, let's say moving to the US or Australia really is impossible... look on the bright side - as things stand we are free to live anywhere in the EU that we choose. Italy, France, Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands... they all have the opportunity to offer a "better" life depending on what you want and how you see things. If we leave the EU, we might not have those options open to us.
Better Life, Doing what, it's bankrupt and they are bailing each other out, Italy, Spain and Greece are corrupt and don't pay tax and the others to a lesser extent
Depends what you're after I suppose. I'd be thinking about free education for my kids, better food, nicer weather, that sort of thing... also what my £s would buy in terms of property. ...obviously it varies from country to country (and person to person) but there are plenty of reasons to live somewhere else in Europe, and lots of people do it.
My point is that I can't go wherever I please because those countries have very strict entry requirements. We had an open door policy and nobody asked the population if we wanted our society to change like that. My British neighbour got kicked out of Canada because they no longer required computer programmers. You can't just barge your way into another country which was my original point; I have little sympathy for the immigrants who passed through dozens of borders to get here. There were plenty of prosperous and safe countries closer to their own country.
Exactly what i said earlier, now the bit I struggle with is why the labour party did and now were/seem so happy to support something that has a direct detrimental impact on the working class. Anyone shed any light on that, support for big business & bankers through stealth. But you only named 5 countries out of 28 ... what happens when Turkey etc is allowed to join as seems inevitable ... and who fancies moving to Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and a dozen other countries.
I'm not aware of any current EU plan to revoke national identity. Europe is a continent, made up of various sovereign 'nations', with recognized geographical borders. Different regions exist within each nation. Regional populations have differing dialects. I share a fence with my neighbour's house. Remove the concept of 'nations', remove the borders, remove the dialects, remove the fences and you'll find that your neighbour's needs aren't that much different to your own. Health, wealth, security...common laws and due consideration prevent my neighbour from stealing my property... I'm not talking about roads....I'm talking about having a centralized administrative body, with regionally devolved centres of power to provide improved infrastructure, gather taxes and maintain order... Prior to the Roman intervention, we were essentially tribal...each having their own codes of conduct
