Want a type 4 but put off by experts?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Dicky, Oct 13, 2017.

  1. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    Yep 1650 hp each three crankshafts on a delta (inverted triangle) layout :eek:
     
  2. I kinda quite like the T4 motor, seems to me you get the best of both worlds - old school air cooled noise & feel with enough power to push a Bus about at reasonable speeds (65 mph motorway cruise). I held off buying an old Bus because I couldn't stand the idea of driving everywhere at 45mph until I realised that's not the case with a T4 engine. The only issues I've had with regard to reliability in the 2 years & 12000 miles have been down to poor quality pattern parts however never actually broken down !
    Talking engine swops if I brought a Bus that was missing most its original running gear for resto I'd considered putting a Boxster motor in one - early Boxsters are getting cheap particularly if you could get hold of an accident damaged car. Don't know if anyone has already done it.
     
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  3. nicktuft

    nicktuft Supporter

    Old story already told on here and random, but here goes.
    I was lucky enough to blow up my tired CA, it had already done 150,000 miles, on the way to Vanfest a few years ago.
    Yellow taxi etc, and as was trailered to the show in search of an engine replacement.
    Had to be trailered back from the show to the ferry and then home to Guernsey.
    While at the show I met a Dutch dealer who knew of an ex-NATO 1800cc, that was NOS, still crated and available for 3500 euros.
    Got it shipped over and fitted it after some initial faffs.
    Runs really well and we can cruise comfortably moving along with normal traffic.
    It is known as a 127 engine and has twin 40 Solexes with 41/34 valve heads.:D
    Plus side is that has only done 7000 miles since new so should see me out!!:(
     
  4. u were lucky
     
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  5. I think I’m cursed when it comes to vw engines

    Scooby conversion is still far to big money
     
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  6. nicktuft

    nicktuft Supporter

    I was thanks, and can have peace of mind that the engine is still as it left the factory.
     
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  7. Apart from the time you had to remove the engine with the help of @davidoft :rolleyes:.....
    Plus you used yours once maybe ?
     
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  8. @Lord Congi i took the engine out and improved it! Looked after it!
     
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  9. Yes as it was knackered and throwing oil everywhere :rolleyes::thumbsup:
     
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  10. Lazy Andy

    Lazy Andy Supporter

    I’m in the type 4 camp for now. Mine was rebuilt by me as a novice and has liveable problems but probably needs another rebuild. That said, it’s now done 14k since the rebuild and has exceeded my expectations.

    I am looking for a new daily / winter hack so I can stop driving the camper daily and we are seriously considering a Forester or Legacy Wagen as a run around for 18 months with the possibility of swapping in the future :O

    My brother is also in the process of subaruing his buggy (bonkers power to weight ratio). He has the nouse to do it without paying big bills and is currently in it for £800 for a knackered car with a good engine and now making some money back on his Type 1 parts and breaking the Legacy that surrounded the engine!
     
  11. Lazy Andy

    Lazy Andy Supporter

    Should also note that I rebuilt the Type 4 with lots of new parts and did the tin wear, new carbs, all the exhaust and heater parts etc and the bill was enough that you would seriously have to question the logic vs a Subaru!
     
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  12. Faust

    Faust Supporter

    I think our classic buses are probably used more than any other classic vehicle as we take them off on holidays and camping weekends ...where as most classic car owners my just use them for tootling about and venturing off to shows .

    Hence the reason why some like to go for the subaru ....i wish there was a decent diesel engine to fit without to many complications and pref a VW one at that
     
  13. Totally agree - the perfect solution and if needed i`d fit it rather than a scooby :D

    Looked at a couple with diesel lumps fitted , i seem to recall some sort of Passatt involvement :thinking:
    but can`t see it being a straightforwards swap or everyone would be at it ...

    :hattip:
     
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  14. Thats the challenge right there. Questioning the logic. I can do a bit myself but know nowt about scoobies. Is there really a dilemma for your average bay driver of type 4 versus Subaru. You need a bit of naus to swap a type 4 into a type 1 but it can esily be done in a day. If your doing a cheap scoob install you need a car, need to strip it. Do the loom, buy specialist parts, throttle reverser, engine bar... exhaust isNt cheapy cheap. Injust dont think its a challenge many type 1 fixers would take on so therfore your going to the garage and a specialist at that. Ask those that have done it what the actual cost was. Its eye watering.
     
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  15. Ozziedog

    Ozziedog Supporter

    Type one motors were originally designed approximately a million years ago, the maintenance and service intervals were a lot more than today's machines, oil changes and a 'service ' were approximately three to five thousand miles. These old machines didn't clock up massive miles b cause they simply weren't capable even though as said above, they were streets ahead of Bedfords and Commers etc. The type 4 motor is a newer and better design plus a smattering of extra usable power hence the service intervals were extended as was the type of mileage that these beasties were clocking up annually. Scooby dooby is more modern again and capable of much higher mileage so a lot more miles per gallon and longevity. Alongside this , as the motors improved, so did the roads infrastructure all over the world with freeways , autobahns , dual carriageways and motorways meaning you could clock up more miles with a lot less wear and tear. I've bought a type 4 two liter and a six ribby to go with it, I did it n a moment of madness and I'll sell it soon because it's just taking up space.
    Now the big thing with me and it is a real big thing too. I like driving my bay, I like driving it on the open road and on the motorway and up to B&Q and just for an afternoon in the country or down to Weston or over to techenders, but I like driving it as much as I like camping in it, I like the fact that most peeps overtake, I like the kids waving when we do, I like the whistfull look on the passengers faces because I know they wish they was in my van driving along and not doing eighty five in their GTI Jellymouldmobile special edition with their own WiFi so they can pretend they're popular.
    So I guess I'm sticking with my slightly worn early, souped up 1641 yes an extra mahoosive fifty ish see sees, extra wiggly cam, and double carbytooters, still got points still got condenser, still got my old set in my tool box just in case, I even keep my old fan belt when I change mine just in case.The guy I got my type four from us installing a Passat diesel and gearbox and is turning the box upside down to readjust the five forward and one reverse principle, sounds quite straight forward and is done regularly all around the world.

    Ozziedog,,,,,,,,,,This is my version and may not appear to be real in your world:);):)
     
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  16. Dinosaur ;)
     
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  17. Lazy Andy

    Lazy Andy Supporter

    Indeed the dilemma.... I think it comes down to the personality involved. I took a deep breath a learned how to rebuild the type 4, and chose the costly pretty route as a challenge.

    I would take myself off to the wall and have a chat with myself before considering the scooby swap, but I can really see the benefits as a daily van driver... I also love the idea of an authentic bay, but think that’s a bit of a lost cause as most are unoriginal anyway.

    One other word, and my favourite type of car mod....

    Sleeper!!
     
  18. nicktuft

    nicktuft Supporter

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  19. Faust

    Faust Supporter

    ..There classic motors for god sake ....if you can fit your own scooby then that's fine. Personally i think if you want to start changing for more power at quite an expense . Then buy a T5 as a daily and keep your bus as is ....well that's what we have in mind maybe next year.
     
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  20. dont have place to park two buses and two company cars
     

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