Type 1, 1776cc engine build.....

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by willster, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. Worth doing your sums re deck height, barrel shims, etc, or you can end up with really whacky compression ratios.
     
  2. A wise man told me Compression ratio not above 7.9 - 1

    Based on my 1776 experience with an engle 110 - I say a big fat NO to that, although the cam may not be to be blame
     
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  3. Wasn’t it your big valves that were to blame ;)?
     
  4. No idea if it was the big valves or the 110 engle cam, but it has tainted my view
     
  5. Valves, I reckon.
     
  6. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    It’s the cam that determines the static CR, not Confucius.
     
  7. The cam determines only duration and lift.
     
  8. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    And the duration, lift and overlap determines the static CR - so the dynamic CR is correct.:thumbsup:
     
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  9. Compression is determined by 4 things,stroke, piston size,or bore and head cc,thats the only things you put into the equation.Deck height can also effect.
     
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  10. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    You’ve forgotten deck height but I agree the static CR is adjusted using the parameters you describe – but that’s not dynamic CR and you need to decide what static CR to put into the equation. A standard cam with little overlap will work well at say circa 8:1 static CR but 8:1 on a cam with a lot of overlap would be a poor performer.

    This explains the difference between static and dynamic CR and the affects a cam has. http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/dynamic-vs-static-compression.727/
     
  11. The cam does not. change compression.
     
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  12. Just been on the John Maher web sit, cam does not come into the equation.
     
  13. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    But the cam does change the static compression ratio that you aim for - and is adjusted as you describe.
     
  14. Cam never comes into compression ratio calculation.
     
  15. MorkC68

    MorkC68 Administrator

    Gusbus runs a CR of 8.1:1 based on the calcs taken from the John Maher website using methods described in the Wilson book, that's a type 4 though but it goes very nicely
     
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  16. That sounds good to me.
     
  17. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    I haven’t looked but I’ll be very surprised if John used the same cam and CR for all the engines he built.
    There is a very big difference between the cam you’d select for an engine used for racing and one used to push a bus along. And you can’t use the same CR for all cams, for instance a Scat C65 cam that you might choose for a racing engine works well with a CR of 10:1 to 11:1. A Scat C20 that you might use for bus engine 7.5:1 to 8:1.
     
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  18. Cam only changes performance not compression ratio.
     
  19. Cam does not change compression.
     
  20. No it does not.
     

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