Someone please explain to me why you would vote Tory.

As an aside - my favourite quote about the banking crisis is this one by Warren Buffet -


Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked.

 

I would like to see some form of PR, but am thankful that UKIP don't have 82 seats!

Me too, I find this incredible.

 

I'd agree - but we have to deal with the fact that in our 'democratic process' - nearly 5 million people are represented by 0.003% of the vote in parliament. I'd also love to see the demographic of UKIP voters - I suspect it's a long way from being English and White only, I think there's a surprising 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant vote in there too.

 

The problem in my mind is that we vote for a parliament and the numbers of members of each party dictate the government. My plan is:
Make opinion polls illegal
Multiple choice voting
Public funding for election campaigning
Compulsory membership of committees for all MPs
End second jobs for MPS
Don't print the party names on ballot papers
I have more ideas but they aren't going to happen.

 

And the SNP get 56 seats with only 4.7%

 

I voted UKIP.
My first vote in 18 years.

 

There was a more simple mistake in Government as well, with independent setting of interest rates by the Bank of England based on a very narrow measure of inflation that excluded property price inflation. Allowing unregulated lending based on ever increasing property prices was madness, but it could have at least been controlled by interest rates. Instead, rates were set low based on the prices of ever cheaper imported consumer good from China while completely ignoring rampant house price inflation.

 

Well done. Now put the square block in the square hole.

 

My suspicion about Farage is that he and his real mates are more than happy for cheap foreign labour in that centuries old British tradition - we love cheap immigrant labour - he never wanted to rock that boat, it was simply a lever for far right Tories to catch the working classes Zeitgeist and that's all.

I still maintain that had the Tories not had a majority and UKIP had some seats - they would have happily jumped in to bed together, and to quote a bona fide genius:

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

 

As long as you all keep playing nicely together there will be no need for the mods to step into the fray.

 

Just to explain why.

I knew they wouldn't win. But the more people that vote for them, the more the prominent parties will take note and buck up their ideas. Eventually.
It will take a while.
I maybe wrong but feck it. My life won't change. I've always worked and kept a roof over my head since I was old enough to do so. I'll carry on doing the same now.

 

Public funding - how does this work, who do you fund? Based on the last election or on the (now illegal) opinion polls?
End second jobs for MPs. It sounds good, but don't you think that we already have too many 'professional' politicians who have no experience of the outside world? This applies right and left, so instead of having ex trade unionists arguing with ex business men in parliament, we have politicians arguing with each other about theories that they have never actually put into practice. Ex lawyers count as 'professional' politicians in my book as well. Ending second jobs just casts this lack of outside experience into stone and condemns us to government by a clique of theoretical politicians who know nothing outside of their own little world.

 

My conspiracy theory is that UKIP is a Tory construct intended to say all the things the Tories daren't. Split the vote of the great unwashed and conquer by division and if push comes to shove and the beast is successful to prop up a Tory government. Win win plan. It's genius and if you look at the numbers it worked.

 

your entitled to vote as you wish and mine was a cheap shot to be honest but you know I was taking the wotsit.

 

It depends on whether you regard UKIP as a 'right' wing party or not. As with many populist parties, they propose simple solutions based on blaming someone else for problems (in this case immigrants and Europe) and attract voters from both sides of the spectrum.

 

Yep - I remember you and I discussing it on here months ago - these effers all went to the same schools!

 

Yep - Orwell again for me:

• Is it not crystal clear, then, comrades, that all the evils of this life of ours spring from the tyranny of human beings? Only get rid of Man, and the produce of our labour would be our own. Almost overnight we could become rich and free.

Swap Man and Human Being for Europe and Eastern European.

 

Surely your YouTube vid is wrong. I now have to sleep in other peoples marmitey bed.

 

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its a work in progress but perhaps secondment for a fixed term would be appropriate for normal people to actually be part of the system. I agree about professional politicians though.