Push rod tube sealant

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by andyv, Aug 13, 2020.

  1. Nobody seems to have a good word for using sealant on the O rings. I did mine with new viton rings last year and the right hand side has been totally dry. The left however leaks as bad as ever.

    Tom Wilson however recommends Permatex 3H or an RTV silicon sealer on the O rings so I might give it a go.

    Comments anybody?
     
  2. I use s smear on mine. Why not? Any non-setting stuff’ll do (not silicone). I use Curil-T.
     
  3. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    The usual reason for avoiding using sealant is you have to clean it all off very thoroughly before fitting new pushrod tubes, or lumps of sealant will push the seals back and will tend to cause leaks.
    On a clean cylinder head it should not leak with only the proper seals, and just a smear of oil, and a little jiggle as the head goes down to centre the tubes (on a type 1)
    Did you stretch the pushrod tubes to the correct length again before re-installing ?
     
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  4. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Wrong engine. ;)
     
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  5. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Wrong engine. ;)
     
  6. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Dry is best but if your heads are coroded in the bores...
     
  7. As Zedders has noticed, its a type 4 so that doesn't apply. I cleaned everything carefully and I've even since checked that the seams on the tubes are on top as Wilson recommends. I can see how sealant might make it difficult next time round though.
     
  8. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    My builder used a smear of stuff called Wellseal. It sticks like **** to a blanket and left a ring of green o-ring stuck to the head when I finally managed to pry it free. If he'd used it seal/tube as well as seal/head I can't imagine it leaking ever again. Thinners and a plastic scraper got it off.
     
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  9. vinnyboy

    vinnyboy Supporter

    When I built my type 4 I used a smear of oil on new seals. The right hand set leaked straight away. I give them all a twist and that worked .
     
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  10. matty

    matty Supporter

    love the smell of wellseal use to use it when at the MOD I sure some of the fitters had it in their tea.
     
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  11. Wasn’t it invented by Rolls Royce?
     
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  12. I used plain oil first time but the rubbish black rubber gaskets. Leaked.

    Then I used Hylomar and better viton gaskets. Still leaked and was a nightmare to clean up.

    Then I bought Permatex Aviation sealant on reccomendation from someone on here and viton gaskets and a little twist. Seems to be holding up OK...but I have another leak somewhere. Suspect its the dipstick boot.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/80019-Permatex-Aviation-Form-A-Gasket-No-3-Sealant-Liquid-/254414117464

    I found Hylomar is more 'gummy' than the Permatex.
     
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  13. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    The crankcase, heads and the O-ring grooves in the tubes need to be scrupulously clean and all burrs removed, if there’s traces of old sealant or damage, they’ll leak whatever you do.

    I just use a smear of o-lube on the rings; but if you must use sealant, only use it on the crankcase end, the head end needs to be free to slide as the engine expands – not a lot but enough to cause a leak if the O-ring is gummed up with sealant.
     
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  14. Dirko . It’s German . The best I’ve come across. D25DBAB8-30B4-4B51-8EA1-8E7679A07F68.jpeg
     
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  15. I use Dirko on modern VAG e.g. sumps. On aircooled only ever used Permatex.
     
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