Pan’s Starter Motor Saga

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by PanZer, May 28, 2020.

  1. If you had an external oil filter, that's full flow:confused:, the pump should be configured for full flow too?
     
  2. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    It was! Then some anus blocked the essential pipes.
     
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  3. I am uncertain as to why someone who did that could a) charge money and b) call themselves a mechanic.
     
  4. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    They must have a good bedside manner, the OP still thinks they are good guys.
     
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  5. matty

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    So basically it had a leaking artery as it was rubbing on bone so some idiot Dr cut it and blocked it off. The consequences was the heart had no blood going back to it and the patient died.

    Still think it’s your fault.
     
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  6. on the positive side you do have a lovely new starter motor ….
     
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  7. Just to clarify, is it unanimously felt that I, a complete novice in anything mechanical, should have known better than a professional mechanic?


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  8. I dont think anyone said you should have known they'd made a mistake, it s not obvious inside what had gone on but they should have known better.. I think it's generally felt you might as well make a mess of things yourself as there too many get out clauses for professionals. they're not as complicated as they look in stock form it's only when you start messing you need to know more than what's in the Bentley book

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  9. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    No, your professional mechanic(s) should have not have put you in this situation.

    Most of us started spannering after similar, if not so destructive experiences.
     
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  10. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    One has to wonder is said mechanic upon discovering a leaking radiator hose would disconnect the radiator and plug the hoses. Or perhap a leaking fuel hose would require the petrol tank permanently isolated, or the carbs.

    For an actual mechanic, that's the level we're at here. Professional just means he takes your money.
     
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  11. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    @PanZer
    I'm sure we're all quite cross on your behalf really. It's a shame you didn't relate the oil hose saga on here because we'd have queued up to point out the humongous error and saved your engine for £5. You're getting a bit of stick because to anyone who has passed your basic level of spannering the error was as blindingly obvious as the examples I listed above.
    Now you know more than your so-called professional mechanic who it would seem is either incompetent or simply doesn't care. They might be nice guys etc but that's not enough!
     
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  12. Yes, hindsight hey! I honestly thought the mechanics were more than up to the task, after they fixed things the previous mechanic totally botched.

    What I can’t get my head around is that every mechanic (and the PO) has told me how great a machine these are to learn with because they are essentially simple - then all these “professionals” with 25yrs experience each go and make ridiculously stupid mistakes that are also potentially dangerous.

    I’m learning so much (more than ever imagined) to get this van right...it just rains then pours, to the point I haven’t actually finished anything i’ve started. It’s a mess ha ha

    With the pipe, in my complete ignorance, I assumed it was merely taking oil out then in, with no ill affect on the flow of the oil itself. Thought nothing of it other than it was too close to the exhaust.

    If i’d knowingly driven for miles with too little oil or at a high temperature i’d expect a virtual slap on the wrist. Temp didn’t even go up high after the pipe was removed so I assumed it was all ok. Still don’t know how I got 130miles.

    Anyway. No turning back the clock, just gota learn from why it stopped ticking. I’ll continue to learn as much as possible and do as much as possible myself.

    Thank you so much


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  13. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Some oil must have been bypassing the block that was put in for the pump outlet.

    At VW shows of old there was sometimes a "how long will it run at full chat with no oil" stall, a bit like guess how many sweets are in the jar. lol. They run for ages, if you youtube you'll probably find one.
     
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  14. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Here you go...
     
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  15. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

     
  16. Dubs

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    It's strange what passed as entertainment years ago isn't it! :confused:
     
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  17. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    I'd have done it, it looks like fun to me. The engine was probably worthless in the days when £50 would buy a fairly good if not perfect complete one?

    An excellent idea for techenders? Build an engine entirely from unuseable scrap parts and see if it runs...and for how long. If it does, let it's oil out and try again
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  18. I bet Health & Safety wouldn’t allow that sort of shenanigans these days!!

    Yes, engine builder said because the ‘old’ mechanics also overfilled it by a litre enough oil was sloshing around on the journey down - then he suspects the oil all settled and in the absence of it in Full Flow we know what happened.

    My mate, who told me to buy the van in the first place (we don’t speak anymore kidding!!), said they were pretty solid machines.


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  19. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Which you have proved by driving essentially with no oil. Can't quite agree with the splash theory. Splash wouldn't supply bearing shells.
     
  20. Dubs

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    If it had exploded into lots of bits, with con rods etc flying into the audience, then yes, top entertainment. That one just fizzled out and smoked a bit...

    Perhaps do as you suggest at techenders, but add nitrous when it's flat out. :D
     
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