Measuring deck on built type-4

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by Zed, Jun 26, 2020.

  1. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    "Somebody" harrumph. We know who, I would like to know why!
     
  2. Am i seeing what i believe i`m seeing ??
    Un-matched pistons ??

    Jeeeezzzz .... :(

    Time to invest in a horses head methinks ...

    :hattip:
     
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  3. Saw that too when I zoomed in :( hope it's just dirt?
     
  4. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    One flat top piston and one with valve cut-outs.
     
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  5. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    The first is a 104mm AA performance flat top piston with a valve pocket.
    The second is a 104mm domed piston from who knows where?
     
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  6. No, I thought at first too, but there's a shadow down inside the the second one. Maybe I should look on the laptop, better screen than the phone. Trick of the light?
     
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  7. Thanks :)
     
  8. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Slap it together with new heads and sell?
    Then...
    Build one more like @77 Westy poss one size smaller crank.

    Or slap together with new heads and drive without thrashing the harris off it.

    Second one probably, it was great until I spent a month WOT tuning trying to get it to rev more and cruising for hours at 75mph. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Doesn't help you, Steve, but I'm bloody glad now I had to take the heads off my engine.

    Although...I did hand over a set of forged Mahle pistons. I wonder if they're actually in there :thinking:
     
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  10. I do recall him saying that back in the 80`s when they churned out 10 engines a day they`d put on 3 new barrels with new pistons and a used set to cut down on expenses , free set every fourth rebuild .

    Old habits dying hard ...??

    :hattip:
     
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  11. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    You're right Jeez I must stop freaking out!!!! and get a new laptop!!!
     
  12. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    You guys type too fast – in my defence there is a one-hour time difference and I’m probably a bit further down the glass. :cheers:
     
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  13. Ok, so it's not as bad as first thought, or is it? :confused:
     
  14. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Right, I expect I warped those already 45 year old when turned from 1700 into 2400 heads through thrashing it and driving generally too fast.

    Do new heads then. @77 Westy yours were the 412 heads with different spark plug angles? If yes, what size chambers did you get from them and what size did they start at?
    From what I can find 1700 and 2000 heads are about 49.5cc but 1800 are 55cc.
    AA say they can get 60cc at 96mm - I had asked about 104 and have asked again. God know what shape they would end up.
     
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  15. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Correct, I was fooled by the photo and feeling rather silly now but the heads are still beyond it I believe.
     
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  16. Great, new heads are better than new heads and new barrels and pistons. Sounds like @77 Westy is a good source of advice :thumbsup: I'm off to get covered in Dynax.
     
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  17. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    There are a couple of divots, a bit odd for machining? It's 3/4 BTW, I thought I'd do the harder one first.
    Maybe these are better...
    Fresh looking scrapes at the bottom, could have been me.
    IMG_20200701_170054165.jpg

    These look like rust pits on the left, weird. And pretty bad machining all round?
    IMG_20200701_170120014.jpg
     
  18. 77 Westy

    77 Westy Supporter

    I use 1800 heads with 41mm inlet and 34mm exhaust valves. Normal 1800 combustion chamber volume is around 56cc, I took mine out to 62cc for a 9.0:1 CR with 0.062” deck and flat top pistons with no valve cut-outs.
     
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  19. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    And the deck is indeed about 3.5mm. and the stroke is 71mm.
     
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  20. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    Actual original VW heads?
    That's a good 6cc head start. I suspect all the castings now are the smaller 49.5 or whatever it is.
     

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