Its all kicking off

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Tilly, Jan 9, 2021.

  1. PIE

    PIE

    I wish the Scottish people would stop voting for the SNP or vote to leave the union, I for one dont understand whe Westminister is standing in their way, If the English had a vote I know which way I would go just so I never had to hear an SNP politician in Westminster again.My friend who is Scottish but lives in England says his mates in the North are all Mell Gibson untill they get in the privacy of a polling booth.
     
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  2. You have to ask yourself why do they vote SNP? I mean really think about why, look at the recent history of the place, it will open your eyes, hopefully.

    It seems that the Welsh are following the same course, albeit with a different take and pace, doesn't that tell you something?
     
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  3. PIE

    PIE

    Thinking back to 2016, If they want to vote SNP great, but if they did vote SNP why did they not vote to leave ? Dont remain and visit the SNP on the rest of us.
     
  4. Simple, gaining 45% of the Scot's votes gets you almost every Scottish seat in Westminster (Westminster being run on a first past the post basis), but isn't enough support to win a referendum (run on a majority required to win basis).

    If I may say, you are thinking thru this with your heart, not your head?
     
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  5. vinnyboy

    vinnyboy Supporter

    If I may say, you are thinking thru this with your heart not your head?[/QUOTE]

    Like running an old rusty camper lol
     
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  6. Good point! And, probably why we should avoid discussing politics in this place :rolleyes::oops:
     
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  7. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    Yes Cymru doubled its membership since October and is now only behind Labour for affiliated members in Wales, despite it itself not being a political party.

    Westminster like to portray the Scots and Welsh as unpatriotic despite the huge contributions both countries make in terms of taxes and natural resources, being dragged in to every conflict a vast majority English government voted on etc etc.

    Think if the Brussels ‘issue’ but make it hundreds of years and call it a union.

    In the meantime we see little or no investment in infrastructure and budgets cut to the minimum. We are portrayed as lazy, badly educated scroungers.

    Did you know that £6 BILLION pounds of debt has been allocated to Wales for HS2? Have you seen the map of where the lines go?

    I suspect this was done to screw us on the famed Barnett formula.

    And then certain factions of the press portray Welsh debt as due to our incompetence - despite our not having the ability to influence taxes or borrow money.

    Imagine your next door neighbour taking all your wages, giving you only what they decide you need, not allowing you to borrow money to improve your house, meanwhile building a ‘kin great swimming pool you aren’t allowed in and then including you on the bill.

    Here’s the rub....this is all portrayed and ‘English’ money....it’s not....it’s more and more borrowed money that your kids and grandkids will burden.

    Sod that. Ever wonder why there’s such a huge bandwagon of propaganda whenever independence is mentioned?

    If we are simple parasites, why the reluctance to let us go?

    Westminster has for hundreds of years sucked its commonwealth dry, we are the last remnants.

    Wonder why we’d have to fight for a vote.....because you can easily build solar and wind farms in Wales and Scotland without the resistance you get over Heathrow. Same for Fresh water and Tidal power.


    It’s easy to mock and get all huffy about the Union and how the English should get a vote. Research it.

    I’ve travelled most places in the UK. The utter poverty up the South Wales valleys is appalling.

    This won’t ever change under Westminster rule.
     
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  8. Gingerbus

    Gingerbus Supporter

    I had previously thought that Sturgeon was a bit of a ‘one trick pony’ stuck on Scottish independence, but I think her leadership and clarity over Scotland’s approach to Covid has put our own leadership to shame, and made me think about why ‘independence’ - or a higher degree of autonomy - is wanted, shame though it is to see.

    I think she’s far more convincing and believable than Johnson, who appears to leave decisions until the point where there a fewer options left. Sturgeon is usually out there first.
    If I were to compare them further I’d say Boris is a career politician who is prepared to lie to appeal to the voting public, whereas Sturgeon comes across as genuine and putting her people and country first, relying on her actions to speak rather than promises made to win votes and not delivered upon, where Boris is happier feeding us bluff and bluster and clever words and bending to popularity rather than duty.
    His loyalty appears to be to the centres of power (London) before the rest of the Union.
    Hers is the opposite, driven by the continued focus of UK government on the capital and relative neglect of the needs of the rest of the Union to decouple her own country with the intention of the betterment of her country.
    I can’t criticize her for that, the principle of doing what’s best for one’s electorate is what all our MPs should be doing, it’s unfortunate that it may require what appears to be a disloyalty to the Kingdom as a whole.
    It may not win the popular vote across the whole, but then it wouldn’t.
    Boris is interested in the popular vote and focuses on where the largest concentrated number and most accessible voters are, and it’s a conflict of interest with the rest.

    I don’t expect anyone to agree, and I’m very likely not politically aligned to what you might think, I just have my own opinion on what’s right and what’s wrong, particularly for our countries as a whole and individually, as our collective seat of power should do.
    And lately i see more of this from Sturgeon than I do from Johnson, although she may not represent the whole of Scotland, she appears to represent the majority.

    As for Salmond, I don’t know the facts, I’ll have to rely on the legal system to do what it’s supposed to do.
    If he’s guilty - and it wouldn’t be a surprise, that sort of behaviour is unfortunately not uncommon in a society that has historically empowered men to behave in ways we now know are not acceptable, but it’s easy to assume guilt without the facts - then he should be accountable for his actions.

    If he’s innocent then of course he will have been done an injustice and his life impacted drastically.
    Media sees to decide ones fate before the courts.

    In the meantime I think she’s as good a figurehead for Scotland as they might hope for.
     
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  9. Boris is maximising the apathy that has paralysed British society.

    Does it affect his agenda if a few thousand people huff and puff on social media about genetically modified potatoes, but then log off to watch another box-set of trash, whilst waiting for pizza to be delivered by a cash-in-hand moped rider?
     
  10. IMO Sturgeon just acts as an opposition politician and has the benefit of Scotland being basically a single party political system. She has always loved to be contrary - Boris does 3 tiers, Sturgeon has to do 5 etc etc. Same position as Starmer, its easy to nip in there and suggest or implement something that is already being considered by captain slow Bojo and appear to have influenced his thinking or been more proactive.

    I dont like any of them by the way!
     
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  11. Gingerbus

    Gingerbus Supporter

    Having just expressed my begrudging respect for Ms. Sturgeon to my mum, and my disdain at Bojo, I think my mum may lay claim to only having one son from now on.
    The other one.
     
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