Is this the biggest socialist advance since the war?

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  1. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    image.jpeg Just had this through the door
     
    Poptop2, May 22, 2017
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  2. Ermintrude

    Ermintrude

    I certainly didn't see 'milk and honey' in my own childhood (70s Scunthorpe) but the opportunities, safety nets and medical services were there.

    Clothes were more expensive then so still a mend and make do.
    I think the accessibility to debt has gone crazy and has been particularly targeted to the working classes but I know that some rely on it to be able to afford rent, food etc. Not all have fancy phones and TVs, sadly the media would have you think differently. That really is generational- my dad wouldn't have a cheque book because he thought it was debt, he paid cash for our house. That's just not possible now.

    I'm certainly not pitching youth against older generations (I am the latter) but I do think that many were only able to buy their own homes because of opportunities many want to deny the young. How many of us could've bought our houses on zero hours contracts, part time wages, massive deposits? None, because the lenders won't let you.

    Same for tuition fees. I wouldn't have been allowed to go to uni if I had to pay tuition fees; dad nearly didn't sign my grant agreement because he feared it would be debt. I've mostly worked in further education and have seen hopes and dreams destroyed because of these fees. I'm now seeing fantastic companies take on these young people under apprenticeships, sadly they then get rid of them after a year and get a new one. Yes, they're learning some of the trade but a lot are just used as box luggers, not the programmers or designers they wanted to be.

    I've been dancing around the kitchen this morning due to the tuition fees news. I have two students who can't go to university this September but will be able to if labour get in. It will change their lives.
    Anyway , sorry, back to dancing! :)



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    Ermintrude, May 22, 2017
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  3. Ermintrude

    Ermintrude

    So we can count on your vote then, mr. Pickles? :D

    I think this is the most important election in my lifetime. Sorry to have bored you.

    Previously all we heard was how alike the parties were 'not a fag paper between 'em', not this time. This is a real change time and by bod we need it!
    *carries on dancing*
    *sings solsbury hill at top of voice*


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    Ermintrude, May 22, 2017
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  4. Ermintrude

    Ermintrude

    As an aside, if you do click on the Tory google ads on dementia tax... it costs them each time.
    :D


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    Ermintrude, May 22, 2017
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  5. ron

    ron

    Sorry ermintrude but until saint Jeremy comes up with definitive costings it is just another manifesto full of empty promises
     
    ron, May 22, 2017
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  6. Louey

    Louey Moderator

    I can understand what you mean when you ask 'what do I get from it?' But that is the thing, it is more about what is in it for society and those around you. If society benefits overall then everyone does - hence for the many, not the few.
     
    Louey, May 22, 2017
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  7. Louey

    Louey Moderator

    I think Labour put costings in it's manifest and are better able to exaplain theirs compared to the bungling lying tories.
     
    Louey, May 22, 2017
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  8. Ermintrude

    Ermintrude

    He has. It's the tories who haven't provided costings.

    I don't believe he's a saint but he is principled. Again, converse to the current Tory leader.

    *carries on dancing*




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    Ermintrude, May 22, 2017
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  9. ron

    ron

    no railway , post office , waterboard , energy company
     
    ron, May 22, 2017
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  10. The Drama Man

    The Drama Man

    Nicely put. I'm not really a Labour supporter but I respect the fact that, however flawed he might be, Corbyn has principles and I am not prepared to swallow the way the media portray him. More in the media ought to be calling May out on the hypocrisy of criticising Labour costings when they haven't been clear enough in their own spending plans.
     
    The Drama Man, May 22, 2017
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  11. Louey

    Louey Moderator

    The next big thing that will put pressure on the economy is Lease to Buy (or however you describe it) for cars - I can see people on my estate with brand new cars but not a pot to ******* in.
     
    Louey, May 22, 2017
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  12. Ermintrude

    Ermintrude

    Strong and stable? and a scoop for 'free press'. Wibble wobble with May:D

    They've spent a long time and a fortune trying to defend this and now.....

    Let's hope their brexit negotiations would be better thought out.



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    Ermintrude, May 22, 2017
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  13. Poptop2

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    Our whole society is now geared up to be financially astute and dare I say it ' selfish' there has never been a time when we as a population have been so well off in terms of money and assets. Myself, I have done okay in life. I have worked hard and done the 18 hour days to death and even made myself ill to get the things I have. Overall though, I have been fortunate enough to have kept myself in reasonable health and have at least part of a brain that allows me to think decisions through and take the odd chance. I am also savvy enough to know there are people out there who haven't these abilities, either through poor education, poor health or just downright bad luck. They are not all the great unwashed as the Tories have us believe or even lead swingers and criminals ( some are there's no doubt about that) mostly though, they are the less fortunate. This I have witnessed in my life. I grew up in a house just off a very rough area and even now am only stones throw away from that area. It is an area of immigrants, Irish in the 60's and 70's, Asians now, yet those people have worked hard and made good over the years, some who have stayed in the area through choice have improved the area and are the salt of the earth, yet when they get ill or old they seem to become a burden. The new inheritance laws probably won't effect them directly as they mostly live in cheaper properties or council houses, it may affect their chances of a windfall from inheritance, but who cares, they are the great unwashed. The changing of the health service system locally does definitely affect them though. Our new hospital and A n E is nearly 20 miles away. They get moaned at for calling an ambulance and in a lot of cases very little treatment when they do get there. We really didn't have a say in our hospital closure it was decided in London.

    My point is. Life as I know all too well is very precarious. One minute all is well, you have a job, health and money to pay the mortgage and if you haven't over extended yourself then time to adjust if needed. However, only recently my friend Simon fell ill with a serious illness. He had to leave his job and rely on the little bit he got from the insurance company, his meagre hand out from the social and his Mrs's part time wage. She lost her job two weeks into his illness and they could not even afford the petrol to hospital. He has mounting issues now and is thinking about selling everything he has worked hard for and moving into private rent as the council won't home him. This could be any one of us who live a normal mortgage, work life. He should be okay though if he gets his health back. He has been a good guy and spent a lot of time helping the less fortunate, he never forgot his roots like so many do when they get a little bit of something around them. Socialism is about just that, being socially minded. Looking after the less fortunate, helping the balance and dividing the wealth. Why should a handful of la de dah's have the wealth and power, what right do they have to decide the fate of millions of people and make money on the back of government decisions and influence said decisions to enhance their bank accounts. They don't have a right, they have bullying, lying, cheating double dealing tactics that baffle people and it's wrong. No matter what class or standing or money in the bank you may have, you should not fail to see that this tying up of wealth and power through use of parliament is wrong.

    If the Tories were more transparent and made public all their backroom dealings, they would be in court, never mind in government!

    By the way. That Brexit thing. A complete scam by them too!
     
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    Poptop2, May 22, 2017
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  14. The Drama Man

    The Drama Man

    To back up what @Ploptop2 says I'm probably just about to lose my job and be on the waste pile for the first time in my working life. I'm 50 this year and didn't really see it coming.
    Hope you mate gets through. He sounds like just the kind of person our society should be encouraging and supporting.
     
    The Drama Man, May 22, 2017
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  15. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    They wont - they will bring in voluntary euthanasia.....
     
    Moons, May 22, 2017
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  16. Pickles

    Pickles

    I was going to comment but do you know what ... I can't be ... bothered
     
    Pickles, May 22, 2017
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  17. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Sorry to hear that. I think you have enough qualifications and expertise to hopefully get quickly fixed up though. Good luck!
     
    Poptop2, May 22, 2017
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  18. Ermintrude

    Ermintrude

    Having gone through that last year and facing it again in July (short term contract part of which is zero hours) I know how terrifying it is. And it's made worse by the way the service that used to be supportive now demonise.
    That said, the socialist tlb hivemind and friends pulled me through. You certainly find out who your friends are and with your username I suspect I may have some contacts you could use too.
    Much love, hope and best wishes to you xx


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    Ermintrude, May 22, 2017
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  19. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    I think I helped....
     
    Moons, May 22, 2017
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  20. Ermintrude

    Ermintrude

    My plan is to put on a ridiculous frock and hat, head up to the moors with a few bottles of rum and slowly slip into a drunken, hypothermic slumber.

    An open invitation for all to join me at a mutually agreeable time.


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    Ermintrude, May 22, 2017
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