end float

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by redoxide, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. redoxide

    redoxide Guest

    I know there old VWs are prone to a bit of end float, but how much is acceptable ?

    Im keen to secure a flat motor for the V8 van I bought recently. I got an offer from Gaz on here but hes obviously over the the head with work and been quiet for a few weeks... so I have to keep looking and found another full motor with tins etc but it also hass a bit of end float .. I asked the fella to measure it and he recons that it has around 4/ 5 mm of movement..

    Is that useable... ? next question is whats the fix for end float ?

    Ive never had a lot to do with VW motors :)
     
  2. 4-5mm is proper fooked
     
  3. 0.07 - 0.13 mm is the quoted tolerance
     
  4. redoxide

    redoxide Guest

    is it eecoverable with new bearings and stuff... or is 4 mm eating into the case... alleagedly it still runs :rolleyes:
     
  5. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    4-5mm means he has almost certainly removed the flywheel. You can't measure the endfloat without the flywheel - it's the shims between flywheel and thrust bearing that set it. Std thrust bearing saddle is 22mm. Two undersized bearings are available in mm chunks so if the saddle is worn to less than 20mm the case is knackered unless some bright spark has devised a away to save it - Laurie Pettit tells me he can use a case if he can get 19.3mm of saddle width but I don't know how he does it.
     
  6. As he must have the flywheel off, ask him if the bearing he can now see ;) is moving in the case when he pushes and pulls on the crank :)
     
  7. I had 1.33mm endfloat and the bearing was actually moving in the case

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  8. redoxide

    redoxide Guest

    looking at the pic of the engine it still has the flywheel on it, pretty much jus as it come out of the van.. will ask him if the flywheel is still on it .. He did say that they didnt have the tools to measure it properly and he used a steel rule just to get a number ...

    its not particularly cheep at £500 if its a runner and useable its all good but if its toast im £500 worse off... However, with all the tins carb, starter etc etc which I would need for a short motor if I had to go that route it might be worth an offer... ???
     
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  9. Zed

    Zed Gradually getting grumpier

    The problem with T1 engines is peeps do run them into the ground and they will keep running while in a state that's irrecoverable.
    Also the heads are prone to cracking and if perhaps the last straw was a big end also gone the whole engine could be toast.

    If all else seems worth the risk, the end float is still a big problem though, it may already have been cut to the max and you won't know until you dismantle it.
     
  10. The starter bolts on to the gearbox so may not be included !! If it has the front over gearbox tin and rear tin on then worth a punt. Just a standard (maybe fooked) engine. £250-00 is what I would expect its worth
     
  11. I've seen around 3mm worth of endfloat on a running type 1... That was using leaking more oil than petrol nearly :lol:
     
  12. Likely if it is 4mm or so, the case is not saveable, so you've got to consider whether the rest of the bits are worth £500. Type 1s will run on with a lot of end float, but eventually they'll either piddle all their oil out of the main seal, or the bearing will let go and the engine will stop abruptly ;).

    With old engines, you've got to ask the question: why was it removed in the first place? If the answer's "because it was shagged", probably better not to buy it!
     
  13. I have one for sale if interested :) its a nice engine, runs smoothly and is nice and quiet. It's quite sweet really and pushed the crewcab round at a surprising rate of knots. It briefly changed my view of type 1 engines more to the view @snotty has of them.

    Then I came to my senses...
    ;)


    Reason for removal =

    I don't like type 1 motors because they are too slow and about as powerful as a ride on lawnmower as standard, much to @snotty distaste
    ;)

    [​IMG]

    £700 without tins and stainless exhaust. £950 with. If you buy it with its turnkey, 1 hour and you'll be on the road. I might even deliver and install it for you, dependent on your location.
    :)
     
  14. :mad::mad::mad:
     
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  15. Hasn't joker got a t1 engine for sale
     
  16. Ps @redoxide...i'd bite Joker's arm off to buy his engine.
     
  17. :D

    Couldn't resist ;) Genuinely though I was quite pleased with the little thing and it sounded like a proper vw, something I haven't heard coming from the back of one of my vans for years. I'm already getting moaned at that I've 'ruined' the crewcab as it doesn't 'sound nice' anymore...

    Maybe I should install a soundaktor system to simulate the beetle type whistle?
    :)
     
  18. Thanks, money will do though
    :thumbsup:
     
  19. redoxide

    redoxide Guest

    Hello Joker... I pmd you re the engine ...
     
  20. Araldite;)
     

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