Basic Electric Hook Up advice

Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by Jack Tatty, May 17, 2017.

  1. Think ive clicked. What your saying is that the cable after the inlet on the van and before the rcd is damaged and theres no effective site protection! Yep! Potentially goodnight vienna! Probably should have got someone from the h&s brigade to test it for you....
     
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  2. after all this scare mongering I'm going solar
     
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  3. So I wasn't referencing anyone as being the h&s brigade. I more meant like the pc brigade.
    To be fair you called me a knob jockey a few pages back, completely unwarranted. So let's have it even in any case.

    My point being, I live my life with appropriate levels of risk aversion. The way you lot went on, it sounded like locusts would swarm if we didn't properly install hook up. Turns our multiple failure need to happen, and actually driving our vans is far more dangerous. Wrong?
     
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  4. Just to set my stall out (since I've also been accused of having no common sense on this thread). For a living I design and deliver 000m pound infrastructure, defense, energy, aerospace and commercial projects as a solution architect (system engineer in old money). Every decision I make is based on risk management, I regular make decisions that cost millions of pounds. I also paraglide which is risk based decisions if I want use of my legs and to live. It is an incredibly safe sport as long as you manage risks.

    From the understanding I have of this (and I'm not a sparky) is the risk of my cable being unsafe is low possibility but high impact. I can further reduce the possibility by only using the hook up if I trust the 'look' of it and by regularly checking my cables. I can also reduce the impact by the same.

    I use it once or twice a year, and portable hook up is as good as new condition and I'd rather not use if I don't trust the site. I believe I sensibly have tackled the risk and no one here (more knowledgable than me) has raised a strong enough argument to change my risk assessment. Aside from my taste for risk being different than others, (ie some won't drive, leave the house, fly etc).

    This is a public forum and the public should be aware of the risks so they can make there own mind up - reasonable, well thought out logical answers should be sought out.

    Note I am not a sparky and my knowledge level is incredibly light. I am looking at it from reasonableness and common sense only.
     
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  5. ron

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    plug it in - connect van to supply - look at from a distance any supply or van fault should be shown
     
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  6. I wouldn't worry about it because every time you will want hook-up there will be none available or there will be none
    thats my experience. Go Sola if you can.
     
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  7. nicktuft

    nicktuft Supporter

    Fit a gas three way fridge so that you don't have a big draw on the leisure battery.
    Saved us a few times with the foie gras, sardines and the odd black pudding.
    I find that the gas option is much colder than hook up any way.
     
  8. This is brilliant. Thanks.

    I was going to ask @matty about the faults he has found and if there is anything us none sparky minded could do to work this out. Visual checks etc?
     
  9. Pudelwagen

    Pudelwagen Supporter

    We've had seven pages discussing (for want of a better word) the dangers of faulty or badly installed hook ups.

    Yet no mention of the equipment we use - kettles, toasters, hair driers etc. If these are regularly checked (or pat tested), that would further reduce the dangers of using mains voltage in a bus. Safe appliances would prevent a lot of accidents from faulty hook ups (but not all, I know).
     
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  10. matty

    matty Supporter

    Without proper test equipment all you can do is
    A visual on the general condition
    Press the test button on the rcds
    Use one of the socket testers to confirm things are in the right place.

    A problem you will have is a lot of sites do not give you access to their rcd witch is another reason to make sure you side is up together

    Faults I have found are normally poor or lack of earth and faulty rcds

    The main issues are always ll due to the conditions the equipment lives in, hot/cold damp/wet along with lack of maintenance.

    It is recommended that the rcd test buttons are pressed everytime you plug in
     
  11. matty

    matty Supporter

    Agree but most people would not have access to test equipment to test the items that could be plugged in

    so a big part of making sure your fixed equipment is up to scratch is to deal with faulty equipment that's plugged in
     
  12. Think I apologised for that which I now retract. So what is your advice for people then oh knowledgeable civil engineer type risk management guru?
     
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  13. Think I spelt it out. You are being aggressive (via keyboard). I was just after a sensible risk based answer. Which I've got and I hope people reading this have a wider idea now


    @matty has been lovely enough to assist, and I really appreciate his input. I will only use if I'm comfortable to do so. You've added NOTHING other than insults, and frankly I wouldn't trust your opinion as you aren't a reasonable person.

    I think third parties reading this will work out who the knob jockey is between us two.
    Have a lovely day.
     
  14. Ps I'm not a civil engineer. Now that is offensive.
     
  15. Delete Facebook insert TLB

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  16. matty

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  17. I came on here with good intentions to assist and give people some competent advice. You approach was to denigrate that advice. Don't dress it up as something else. You have made references to the "health and safety brigade" made references to me being "PC" and tried generally to undermine the advice being provided. Its in my nature to challenge people like you Im afraid.

    I'm not reasonable! let people judge for themselves.
     
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  18. I probably did go to far there!
     
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  19. Any chance you could give me some lessons on tact and diplomacy mate. Then Im off to risk management school after that!
     
  20. Barry Haynes

    Barry Haynes I dance in leopard skin mankini’s

    Good morning fellow knob Jockey
    I am the original bodger, you should see my hook up installation if @Dicky saw it he would call me more than a knob jockey, Chris is a nice fellow and has helped me with some sound advice over time, he's also Marmite hot at electrics , if he calls you a knob it means he cares, don't take it to heart, it took me nearly a year before he called me a name so I'm quite jealous, what I will say about him is when he's wrong he'll always apologise, I'm sounding like his no 1 fan here,
    @Dicky your a knob jockey
     
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