Jaywick - How did it get that bad?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by top banana racing, Feb 8, 2015.

  1. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    Why - we have Made In Chelsea, Made In Essex and that weird thing about Russian expats wiping their arses on £50 notes....

    The notion that there is only beat the poor is not quite correct surely.
     
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    its good , the only problem is with all of this is , they just throw more down after .Who is not teaching people , and children to put their litter in bins or take it home ?? its not only the poor and deprived , we get school children from all walks of life walk past here who think its ok to open a sweet and chuck the wrapper on the floor or drink can even people driving down the roads just chuck stuff out its disgraceful so whos fault is it???, my mum doesnt do it, i dont do it , my son doesnt do it , they need to be taught and penalised if they do do it , but do they ???
     
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  3. Well Barney what I did notice was a distinct lack of bins to be honest ,I guess its cheaper for the council as you don't have to pay to get them emptied.
     
  4. sANDYbAY

    sANDYbAY On benefits-won't sponsor!

    I'm sure we did, I'm sure most of us have had similar influences from our parents.

    In my case my Mum & Dad had a sense of self respect and social responsibility which they instilled in me (occasionally in the form of a 'good hiding'). They also didn't believe that the world owed them a living. In their minds if you wanted something you earned it in some way.

    I can't see any of the feckless adults setting anything other than bad examples for their children. It is a shame for the children because they will never know any other way of living and so they are probably doomed to live that sort of life forever.

    I think there is a good case to be made for offering the women 200 fags and a case of Stella if they volunteer to be sterilised.
     
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  5. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    I'd nominate the council - have you tried finding a litter bin in your street - tried using a public loo in your home town. Lichfield has two public loos.
     
  6. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    Couldn't have put it better myself.

    We need to raise minimum wage to a livable wage - then we can cut the top up benefit system.

    I think private landlords should be made to pay the council tax on their properties and if they are to provide accommodation to those on benefits, they should be made to publish their mortgage details with regards to that property so that any hikes in rent have to be justified.

    Am I mad - I can hear the private landlords kicking off on this one - after all, I'm proposing to hurt their income. Housing is a human right, not an income. If it's not - then let's charge VAT then.

    I also think the reforms to social housing and ASBO's need to come into the private landlord scheme far faster as many people's lives are being made a misery by Private Landlords dumping scum next door to them and enjoying mortgages paid for in benefits - the council's also need a direct line to the benefits and courts so that people that won't comply can get leaned on.


    My biggest issue is people that use their kids as their source of income and housing - and do a laughably Marmite job of raising the - unsure how you fix it - I suspect that any policies on this need all party agreement and Labour never will, plus, I think any policy would hurt some people that are wholly innocent.
     
  7. Tuesday wildchild

    Tuesday wildchild I'm a circle!

    Sounds Fenside in Boston.
     
  8. Tuesday wildchild

    Tuesday wildchild I'm a circle!

  9. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    To begin with - I think despite its failings, we are blessed with a system that ensures no one should be destitute and starving - we also have free healthcare and schooling, that's a hell of an achievement.

    What annoys the people that pay in to it, is that A) we seem to get little in return (other than the above), certainly less than those that don't pay in to it (we get charged for prescriptions for example, no free school trips for our kids, no meal vouchers etc etc), and B) some of the people that wholly rely on it have made an informed choice and in fact plan on remaining well within it, some deliberately raising the next generation to do the same, meantime, we toil.


    The welfare state was set up to box off five major issues to make a better Britain - see if you can spot the ones it fails at:
    1. Poverty
    2. disease
    3. ignorance
    4. squalor
    5. idleness
    On the first one - I'd say no one should find themselves in poverty - an average pay out for a single unemployed man around is a tax free £12k (unsure if that includes housing benefit) and climbs from there if you have kids (easily £24k) - what it does prove though is that many people don't put food and rent before fags and booze, it also proves some are poor with money and some people are simply unable to make informed decisions at a particular time of their life - also, on occasion the system is bad at paying out - hence some food banks - which by observation seem to be used far more by people new to the benefit system rather than those who have spent many years within it.

    2nd one - we have a FREE NHS, free prescriptions, free dentists etc etc. There is not excuse for disease, a sad side effect of free healthcare is many cant be arsed to take care of their own health - bit that is nothing to do with financial standing.

    3rd one - we have FREE schooling, in fact, it's unlawful to not send you kids to school. We have FREE libraries, many FREE adult education courses - there is not excuse for ignorance.

    4th one - bit more complex, but between charities and welfare, everyone theoretically should find a roof over their head. Not the Palace Hilton admittedly. How they treat a place is down to that person - many of the worse ones are well aware though that they can't be prosecuted, and someone else will tidy up. This area needs work.

    5th one - this is the one that we get most wrong - I'll not add to it, other than to point out there is a lot of evidence that work, or being busy at a task, cuts down on mental health issues and antisocial behaviour.
     
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  10. I suspect you know you this is the real world and there is multi tasking going on and there is a limit on resource.

    Job Centre (amongst others) have had massive cuts so they have become near meaningless with cruel tests and targets which need to be met.

    Once thing I am certain of is: The benefit cuts that have taken place this year have ended up hitting the most vulnerable people and have ended up with a number of people commiting suicide. Not something I want my name to be next to ta very much.

    It is a wholesale change of the benefit system required - this takes time/money to achieve. It has been shown that the government implementing the changes made generally cost more then the savings.
    And if private firms are left to do it people die.

    The biggets point is: This isn't black or white - there is no easy answer and whatever we do we will affect innocent people.

    The biggest group of people on benefits are pensioners and then people that work.

    Can we please try not to focus efforts on a small minority and tackle the bigger problems and maybe even let society manage the unsociable.
     
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  11. Woodylubber

    Woodylubber Obsessive compulsive name changer


    What a load of rhubarb and pinapples, I'm off to look in What's coming soon
     
  12. Fair do fella - each to their own.

    Enjoy your distraction.
     
  13. ...................and Ricky's sister has set up shop in one of them. ;)
     
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  14. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    You never quite know what you'll get in either, have to admit.
     
  15. Surely Lichfield is too posh for anyone to resort to using a public lavatory? ;)

    But seriously, I can provide a practical example of exactly what you're saying with the bin situation.

    Where I live at the moment backs onto a large park with 2 lakes. We walk the dogs around there every day, and litter was a big problem. We used to go out with a couple of old carrier bags on the dog walk to pick up some of the large amounts of litter as we walked around with the dog and commonly filled them. It got so bad at one point we were taking black bin bags out with us and easily filling those.

    Then the local park committee managed to get the council to treble the number of bins in the park. Now it's much better. It's not perfect, there are still some morons who don't know how to use a bin, but it's much better than it was. The local vandals have also now got tired of trying to pull the new bins out (complete with concrete base!) so you can always rely on the bins being there.
     
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  16. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    My constant bug bear - I have OCD about not lobbing rubbish, but bloody hell is it hard to find a bin in modern britain!!!
     
  17. we do have both plenty of them , but if we didnt id take it home or leave it in my car till i get home :). The place to start is with the children , the group inbetween just humiliate them and fine them the threatened £1000 fine .

    ill take some pics tomorrow of what its like its a joke !!:mad:
     
  18. I'm with you all the way.....until the sterilization bit;)

    Both my parents came from humble backgrounds, as did their parents...regards income, they would have earned less, in real terms, than those families on the documentary, but their 'status' (and sense of self worth) was derived from being employed , running a clean house, rearing well behaved/well mannered kids, taking an active role in the local community....their status had nothing to do with what they earned....and all this at time when health levels were generally poor, infant mortality was high, and personal mobility was as far as you could walk (or take the tram)...one must remember that work, such as it was, was available locally.

    Having been unemployed several times as an adult, I can relate to the 'dole mentality' that develops after a few months. You feel as though you've achieved something, simply by going into the job centre and browsing the cards, regardless of whether you apply for anything or not. After a while, you learn what you need to do, in order to keep the authorities off your back...you carp on to your mates about the lack of jobs, despite there usually being some vacancy or other that you could apply for; you make excuses for not working... but if the job pays £85 per week after everything's taken off, and you can 'earn' £50 sitting on your arse, which are you going to choose? This, unfortunately, is the reality for many unemployed....a change of mindset needs to take place in the individual...developing trade skills, retraining, community-based initiatives, sports, music, arts, are all ways to engage people on different levels; once engaged, beneficial changes can and do take place, self-confidence is key. These 'feckless scroungers' often discover skills and talents they never realized were of value. True, there will always be a minority of people who choose to live off the state, but given the right opportunities, I believe most would opt for a life with a sense of purpose and personal achievement (at whatever level) rather than an embittered, self-destructive and denegrating existence.
     
  19. There seems to be a whole new class , the 'underclass' who are content to spend a life on benefits, have no pride or self esteem, no drive to achieve anything at all
     
  20. Bins went out of fashion during the IRA bombing campaign and never really made it back. As for Jaywick I think its been an irritation for social reformers for years but these places will always exist somewhere in spite of efforts to incentivize, empower or otherwise persuade the populace to change their lifestyle.
     
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