Woolwich killing

From what I've seen and heard in the media about these two. I reckon they've done real terrorists no favours at all.

 

The most rational post I have read anywhere regarding this incident .

 

I was getting as excercised as some others and decided it was time for some critical thinking. Incidentally I made sure I was on time to pick my daughter up from Cadets tomight. Not because I thought she might be a victim of terrorism but because I didnt want some insensitive muppet bandwagen jumper upsetting her.

Thats something else that bugged me - the debate (or non-debate) about forces not wearing uniform out of barracks. Where did that come from. Someone call the logic police!

 

Nice post, Dicky. Sums it up for me as well.

 

As a human ive gone through the stages of emotions

Last night i was horrified by what had happend but i didnt want worse to happen with retaliation under the guise of racism

Today if im honest im falling apart and had to turn off bbc news as i was hitting a depressive spiral

Its not good that a soldier was killed on our own soil when thats when he should have been more safe

When i was in the forces we never wore uniform outside of camp and we were weary of even admitting that we served
It wasent because we were hiding our pride it was because it was a security risk
The risk at the time was the IRA but that never made me belive all irish people were terrorists

Today i feel a big mess and its really messing with my normal self
I think about his family as he was someones son and he was a husband

I feel for those that have to deal with his death and the hurt and loss that his awfull passing has left behind

If im honest ive thrown up 3 times today watching bbc news

I dont have the answers to this but i do still belive you cant blame the actions of a few on the majority

Just for the record i wasent calling ricky a racist i was mearly saying lets not go there as it will do more harm than good

Im happy for all types of people to come into britain
I am however of the opinion that if you want to reside in britain you should come with somthing that will bennafit society not detract from it

 

This is a very good article

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tarek-fatah/uk-beheading-jihad-terror_b_3325363.html?just_reloaded=1

 

it was only last week where you/Para threatened to take and i quote ` i`ll take your head off your shoulders ` in a reply to a post i wrote which he didn`t like on his/your resto thread ..................

 

I'm saddened that a young white man got killed in a racially motivated attack on our streets in Britain 2 days ago.
I'm equally saddened that an elderly Asian man (Mohammed Saleem) got killed in a racially motivated attack on our streets in Britain in April.
What saddens me most is the imbalance in coverage the 2 events have received in the media and in public debate.

 

The soldier wasn't killed in a racially motivated attack.

The murder of Mohammed Saleem got quite a bit of coverage however the person/people who did it didn't do it in broad daylight in a busy street then hang around covered in blood delivering their manifesto on video.

 

actually, i think race played a huge part in it. The victim wasn't picked on because he was, to coin the phrase Nick Robinson quoted, "of Muslim appearance".
I think they made the same swivel-eyed, knee jerk conclusion that the idiot EDL draw, that white people are not muslims and black people are.
How did they know he wasn't a convert? Would they have killed him if he had been black or were they just after a squaddie, a footsoldier of the government (i wonder as they mentioned how Cameron would not walk "these streets" - was the victim the closest they can get to Cameron?).

 

i agree. a good day to bury bad news. or just a good day to put in further restriction on our privacy and freedom? i wouldn't trust 'em as far as i could spit. and i'm rubbish at spitting.

 

As long as these crimes are visited on all but politicians, we ,me, you ,everyone, (except politicians )politicians will, as is always the (sorry) case "play to the camera" ,then go back to their very protected lives.Iam undoubtably cynical,politicians never miss a opportunity to make political capital from any /every situation,perhaps we have the Govt/political set up we deserve?

 

Unfortunately this tragic event has given the government another go at getting the ' Data Bill ' passed that Clegg put the brakes on recently, another blow to freedom...

 

They picked on him because he was a solider, not because he was white. He might have been a muslim but in their eyes proper muslims don't wear help for heroes t shirts

 

do 'proper muslims' join the british army? i question whether they would have picked a black soldier?
i think as we don't know the facts nor their reasoning that all we can do is question. perhaps they picked him because he was a white soldier - neither of us know or can say with any certainty at this stage.

 

I don't have anything to hide from this kind of plan....there needs to be new legislation to keep up with the advances in technology and communication.
The access to dodgy information, from child porn to bombmaking is easily accessible to anyone with that kind of mindset, along with 'secure' ways to communicate with other wierdos.
I have friends who complain about privacy and personal info, yet publish all kinds of personal info and pictures on any site that will let them (and many sites retain access to all copy)
The benefits to security of 97% of the population easily out weighs the rights of the 0ther 3%!

 

I have an muslim friend in the forces, who would possible be an even bigger coup (although the odds of finding a muslim in the forces are slim)....unfortunately they will target any forces and possibly even police....any force representing authority, it is not a new tactic used across the world...

 

Anybody with anything to hide goes on the deep web, I have no problem with the powers that be closing that down, I just feel that big brother has enough information on us in a real 1984 way, if this goes through, the government will sell the non security based information they obtain for profit to marketing companys....a bit like local councils selling your details once you have registered for council tax and thence the flood of junkmail and irritating phone calls start.