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Discussion in 'Mech Tech' started by redgaz, Aug 27, 2019.

  1. redgaz

    redgaz Supporter

    Can i change this fuel pump without removing alternator?.
     

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  2. JamesLey

    JamesLey Sponsor

    Isn't that the top of a carb?
     
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  3. redgaz

    redgaz Supporter

    Doh!, wrong pic. Try again.
     

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  4. Shouldn't need to remove the alternator to change that, plenty of room.
     
  5. JamesLey

    JamesLey Sponsor

    Yeap I've taken that style off without problems.
     
  6. redgaz

    redgaz Supporter

    Good to know thanks, only it looks as if it wouldn't clear the mounting studs before it was hard against the alternator.
     
  7. Get a 13mm “banana” spanner to undo the bolt at the back. It will come off. Check the length of the fuel pump pushrod when it’s off.
     
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  8. redgaz

    redgaz Supporter

    Ta Snotty, hopefully won't have to get it off. Depends if it's leaking fuel into sump or not.
    After an overnight stand when i removed sump plate a small amount of fuel was present. On zedders good advice i turned engine over by hand and a load more came out (bore full). left it for 90 mins, turned engine over by hand again and no more came out.
    Carb looks dry which i re-fitted last night. Think i'll leave it over night again and turn it over by hand again in the morning before i put any oil in, just to play safe.
     
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  9. Does sound like your carb’s overflowing. Obvs, don’t try and start it with a cylinder full of fuel :eek:. I’d take the pump off to check it anyway - easy enough. Looks like you may be able to dismantle yours.,
     
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  10. yes, carb overflowing due to worn or dirty float needle valve is the usual suspect, but you may have a perished fuel pump diaphragm or both. any fuel in oil means drain and refill with new oil, oil is cheap, damaged engine isn't.

    its a common issue on here, rust in tank finds its way to the carb and causes havoc. fuel pumps are repro and cheap, but don't last. If your existing one is ok, I would keep it.
     
  11. redgaz

    redgaz Supporter

    Mine looks to be re -condition able, would you agree?. Probably the way to remove it is to unscrew centre lid screw and take it from there, never done a Brosol VW one so not sure. Are Brosol standard fitment?.
    The lid very nearly contacts the alternator.
    I've just been out and took lid off carb, level a bit high so removed 0.5mm spacer and re-fitted 1.0mm spacer, no leaks, only turned engine over by hand though.
    My plan is to check under engine and turn it over a few times by hand in the morning, if no sign of petrol around bottom of sump (filter etc is out) i'll put in oil and start her up, however if there is petrol present i'll fit a fuel pump kit before doing anything else.
    Getting sick of the smell of Esso :(
     
  12. The lid is probably just covering a cleanable filter underneath. Not sure how much further you could dismantle it. Take the lid off and find out!
     
  13. redgaz

    redgaz Supporter

    I probably will. Kits are out there but no one states the make of pump they are suitable for?, mine is a Brosol ,made in Brazil.
     
  14. They are Brazilian. Yours is probably a replacement from the past. I’d doubt if you can service kits for it. First step: take it apart!
     
  15. redgaz

    redgaz Supporter

    Cleaned out filter, actually there was nothing in there, only just managed to seal it up again without leaking though, could do with a new seal, can't find one yet,
    55 mm o/d , 47mm hole x 1mm thick rubber.
    Result, engine up and running ok, fuel pump pressure 2.8 p.s.i . whatever the r.p.m. is.
     
  16. redgaz

    redgaz Supporter

    Nice looking Pierburg pump on Cartec 1 one. ATP article 30460756. £62.99
    Not sure if it would fit on my engine though, bigger pump body than the Brosol i've got.
     
  17. If it’s for a type 1 with alternator, the “new” Pierburgs will fit.
     
  18. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    The resealing of those pumps is fun. Mine has an O ring seal. Which took some gasket silicone to re seal.
    I put my old pump back because the cheap aftermaket pump put out about 7psi. The old one does about 3.5psi. I keep the new one as a spare.
     
  19. redgaz

    redgaz Supporter

    Thought i'd resurrect this thread , the reason being i recently removed the electric fuel cut off solenoid which was situated below the coil because it appeared to be causing an air lock. I wondered why i'd been having trouble starting over the last few months , especially after being stood a while.
    However, I've now noticed my oil level has gone up about 8mm since i removed the cut-off solenoid which i think is fuel getting into the sump. Can fuel leak into the sump via the fuel pump even if the pump appears to be working ok?, i've fitted and 'set' the float valve in the carb several times.
    I intend to refit a fuel cut off valve, maybe a manual one, i presume it's best fitted before the pump :thinking:.
    Advice appreciated:thumbsup:
     
  20. mikedjames

    mikedjames Supporter

    Yes it can leak but... The "air lock" is probably a " vacuum lock" where the valve shuts as the ignition goes off, the pump does one more suck produing a vacuum in the fuel line. This holds the sealing plunger down in the valve and the solenoid isnt strong enough to pull up against the suction.

    Air locks below tank fuel surface level are unlikely as the fuel pump gulps air until it gets fuel pressure back from the carb. Its all designed to pump a larger volume until the back pressure holds the spring in the pump back, so the pump stroke varies internally with the pressure - it pumps as the pushrod drops powered by the spring in the pump.

    Change the solenoid valve.. my solution was a little circuit that boosts the power feed to the solenoid to 32 volts for about half a second when you power it up.


    I reckon you should be changing the float valve on the carburettor. If petrol gets in cylinders it came from the carb.
    Petrol in oil from pump or carb.

    Heritage sell a rebuildable fuel pump from SSP.
    Its about £36. I fitted one because my oldish pump like yours with only screw, filter , O ring accessible started dribbling fuel from the pivot pin, but because I had a solenoid valve ( excellent fire retardant unlike manual valve - try turning it off when petrol is burning nearby and you will spot the difference..) the fuel leaks never really affected the oil.
     

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