Ye Olde War Vote - Poll added

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Zed, Dec 1, 2015.

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Should the UK join in air strikes in Syria?

Poll closed Dec 3, 2015.
  1. Yes

    17 vote(s)
    32.7%
  2. No

    35 vote(s)
    67.3%
  1. When do we start drinking our own wee?
     
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  2. Given the beginning of time was approximately 4.5 Billion years ago and that man has been on Earth approximately only 1.8 million years, this would mean that man has only been at war for approximately only 0.004% of the time available.
    Giving 99.996% of time for things to change.
    Therefore by extrapolation we can see that war will be finished by 18th November 4,412,135,000 AD, a Thursday at around tea time. *

    Consequently, I am firmly in the DILLIGAF camp with you Mick.
    @zed should add this option to the Poll. FACT



    *Some of these numbers may not be true.
     
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  3. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Brilliant summary.but...
     
  4. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    The wealth inequity gap in the Far East is by far the most unequal on earth ( if you ignore parts of the US).

    You have some of the least populated countries with the most oil, and even within them, you find ridiculous wealth and abject poverty. Unbelievable wealth. Unbelievable povert.

    So the leaders in those countries hold their position by building military machines and amazing injustice.

    Their wealth comes from western conglomerates and governments happy to do business with butchers as long as they will negotiate, and murder those that won't.

    Course they want wars in the desert, nice distraction that...and you can nail the pesky internet that keeps informing the serfs of their inequity too by saying it's all down to terrorists.

    And the mass populace in these countries? Who they going to blame for the inequity....of course the west and they are right to do that for the most part....and of course those at the top will happily entertain that viewpoint.

    The strategy is to smokescreen the whole caper with religious ferver simply because there is no endgame...zealots will always stay motivated to ruck with someone, and we can hide bad business easily.

    Meanwhile the oil tankers sail, rolls royces are imported and bullets sold.


    We want this fixed?


    Stop interfering as countries want to topple despots.....deal with democratic governments.

    Man is born peaceful unless threatened...in the Middle East (ignore the west) who is actually under threat by whom? Wider, who benefits from war there?
     
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  5. thats not going to happen ,as much as we would like it to
     
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  6. In the case of perfidious Albion and France that quite possibly is true....:D
     
  7. For the first time I am disappointed in Corbyn - that he agreed to a free vote. Could have stopped it otherwise.
     
  8. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Why don't they let us decide in a free vote?
     
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  9. What you think this is, a democracy? Fool ! :D
     
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  10. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    Damn. There was me being silly again! :oops:
     
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  11. I think he's been caught in a double-bind, partly by manipulation, partly by his own principles...if he called for a whipped vote he's labelled a hypocrite...if he grants a free vote, he's lambasted for putting party stability before conscience...either way, the opposition will attempt to place some of the responsibility upon his shoulders, rather than play it straight...

    as evidenced by The Metro's headline yesterday:
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    owned by Jonathan Harmsworth (aka Lord Rothmere), renowned Non-dom Tax dodger and Eton educated great grandson of Harold Harmsworth, owner/editor of of such gems as “Hurrah for the Blackshirts” (Daily Mail), and “Give the Blackshirts a Helping Hand” (Daily Mirror)...nice chap!
     
  12. How thick is Cameron. He has got to be the stuidest inept pillock weve ever had. We are talking George Bush jnr on a bad day. If you dont agree with bombing your a terrorist. Do i need to say any more. Claiming Islam back he reckons. More evidence to those who might be radicalised that this is a crusade. Hes not a muslim is he.

    Likely output is little gain for much pain, mostly the pain of the innocent. Collateral damage will,be the recruiting sergeant for the extremists. Lets have a coalition that has a proper plan. Boots on the ground with air support. Make it as conventional a war as you can and win the peace. Indont have the answers but im pretty certain that bombing , as smart as it may be isnt the way in isolation.
     
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  13. sANDYbAY

    sANDYbAY On benefits-won't sponsor!

    I like the way you dig this stuff up Vanners. I've done a bit of reading about the odious 4th viscount Rothmere. He is without doubt a very nasty man but what I find more depressing is the self serving cronyism that appears to be rife throughout the "upper echelons" of society.
    We should be able to trust HMRC to do the job we pay them for and when they started an investigation into Rothmere's Nom-Dom status it seemed like they were.
    Their Special Civil Investigations Department with the agreement of their top lawyers and a high level strategy board all decided that he needed investigating for his domicile status as well as other possible tax avoidance things he'd been doing.
    All good so far. :thumbsup: Justice will eventually be done.

    No, not quite. All of a sudden HMRC deputy chairman Dave Hartnett stepped in and shut the investigation down.

    Now I'm not one to jump to conclusions and I'm sure it's just pure coincidence that the Mail has a lot of political clout and the many connections between Rothmere's companies and the government.
    Still he's several million pounds a year better off so that's ok then.
    And he's still got the gall to say people using food banks are not actually needy, just greedy.
     
  14. 3 million marched in London against the Iraq war. Smiley Tony stood up and said " Isn't it wonderful that in a democracy people can air thier views, like today. But... yabba yabba, we know better, etc." Summarising there.
     
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  15. Poptop2

    Poptop2 Administrator

    You should read more of it mate. then again, it's depressing. France had the right idea - viva le rev...
     
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  16. As a former member of the armed forces I have emailed my MP saying I don't agree with the extension of bombing and to say that Cameron should engage brain before opening his mouth, terrorist sympathiser my @rse. I didn't bother asking for an apology nor to try and persuade him after the piece in the local paper suggested all the tory maps have already made their mind up. I can't see the case has been made, they'd be better of tackling the funding or arming of Isis, but we all know that won't happen
     
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  17. Baysearcher

    Baysearcher [secret moderator]

    I've watched bits of the debate throughout the day. It's safe to say that imho the "No" argument is stronger.
    Irrelevant though, as that bell-end Cameron will take us head long into another war with no defined exit strategy.
     
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  18. Ive emailed mine to. She will be voting no!
     
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  19. I forgot to say. I have very serious issues with people of faith who promote any form of zenophobia, homophobia, sexism, racism, who lack empathy, and who in my view are responsible for most of the ills in the world and drag everyone into their frankly irrelevant arguments.
     
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  20. Barry Haynes

    Barry Haynes I dance in leopard skin mankini’s

    Simple question are political threads allowed??
     

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