Woody my 72/73 bay window resto project .......an epic tale of rust.......

Thank you oh wise jedi master Zed .

Its a pity all the other posts are gone from here as you and others gave me some very good advice through out the resto which really helped, I think others would have benifited from reading them too .....but we can only repost with what we've got

I thought that was pretty slick putting that link into the story ;D .............

Oct 12th 2010....

just down loaded the pics so here goes

This is the area I'm going to replace/make a repair piece. The bottom area doesnt look too bad but it has got some heavy pitting so would probably rust through in a year or 2 so I decided to chop it off



First I started with a flat piece of sheet steel which I bent in a vice to a 90 degree angle (but not too tight)

put slits in one side of this piece so I could bend it to the right profile
I then made a cut across the front as there will be a bend in that "face" of the metal

This is what I've got from all that



I then clamped it over the area I was going to chop out and tack welded some of the cuts to stop them opening up when I put some more weld on.

Next I cut off the rotten bit and finished weding up the cuts I had made and this is what Im left with





I then had to make some more cuts to allow me to bend the metal back on its self to make the lip which the outer arch will attach to. I used mole grips to bend it over as it would no longer fit in the vice



I then welded up the cuts and welded it all in place

so from this



to this







job done...phew

It took most of a day to do this one bit using only a selection of mole grips, hammers, grinder, ruler, scriber and welder

 

[br /][br /]I took the cut up a bit today, not sure, but the panel on the bus might just be starting to flare out where I've cut - should I leave it there, should I take the cut up further ??? [br /][br /]anyway...... I painted the inner arch[br /][br /]And the started wire brushing some other areas of the rear arch tub so I could get some paint on......and made a few more holes



Not sure if I should make a small repair piece, cut the lot off and replace with a repair panel or cut the lot off and make my own. Either way I think I'm going to do this bit before I put the outer arch on as it gives me a little more room to play.....I'm not putting off getting the outer welded [br /][br /]Last question, should I take the cut right across to the door or leave it the shape I have at the moment ?- which I'd prefer to do as I don't really want to cut any more good solid german steel out and it would be a noticeable join from the inside of the cargo area[br /][br /][br /][br /]So what do you all recon? weld to the shape I have got or cut more off

 

hmmm dont know what happened to those pics???

I better see if I can sort that out........

 

Just copying this over from my mech/tech thread as a quick update of what I've been doing [br /][br /]I finally got up the courage to go out and have a go after that bad dream last night!![br /][br /]tapped out a few of the creases using a hammer and dolly, not brilliant but I think it will do





[br /][br /]hopefully by sortin out this bit it may help at the rear[br /][br /]the front doesnt look too bad - bearing in mind the panel is clamped over the originial as I've still got to cut a big bit from the front of the repair piece and cut some more from the top[br /][br /][br /]the profile against the rear corner looks pretty good though[br /][br /][br /]As you might have seen it started raining so I've packed up for the day hopefully get a bit done tomorrow so I will update you then :yes

 

oct 18th 2010......

Heres what I've been upto lately

started off with this



welded it in then made a bit for the patch above it and welded in



Looks ok to me I'd been doing these bits putting off doing the rear arch :

right then back to today...................

I only really spent a good afternoon on it today but I think I got quite a lot done
First I started cutting the panel back bit by bit, fitting it up, marking then cutting a bit more off over and over again.

I wanted to spend as much time as it takes to get this as good as I can.

I must say that the closer the panel got to fitting the more it would sit in different positions (if you follow my meaning) so it was definatly a good thing not cutting it all off at once

heres some pics of it nearly trimmed up but clamped in over the old panel







You might have noticed a small dent that i made at the lower front of the arch . I did this with some long jaw molegrips....I dont know why I tried clamping it there very silly mistake - what was I thinking :-[ , so I then had to tap it out using hammer and dolly - luckily I got it out again

Next I joddled the upper horizontal and vertical, the lower horizontal will be stitch welded to the lip of the cargo floor







I used a pipe de burrer to get rid of some of the burrs on the rear of the panels on the van



and then fitted up again







Quite please with it I am ;D

Still got a fair bit of fettling to do yet.

Got to remove the nastly transit primer from the inside of the panel and then re coat with a few coats of epoxy mastic.

Got to drill some holes in the body work so I can plug weld through to the new panel.

Drill holes in the bottom of the arch to weld it to the inner.

Replace the seal bits (will probably stick back the old bits with PU seam sealer).

drill some holes through to the load floor lip for the panel pins to hold it in place.
tweek the lips of the inner arch so they fit flush to the outer.

then check it all over again for "fit"

So not sure if it will be welded next weekend or not, or if I will still be tweeking it.

Until next time...........

 

morning post ........

Oct 24th 2010.................

heres fridays progress.....

stripped off the transit primer from the inside and the joddled lip





because it is quite a smooth milled steel I gave it a coat of etch primer



Next I drilled holes to plug weld through to the joddle. I made these 6mm but used a 3mm drill to make a pilot hole first. I used a bit of wood behind the panel 1. to stop me bending it as I pushed the drill in and 2. to stop me going straight through the panel behind



Next I clamped it back in place and drilled some 3mm holes for the panel pins -drilled one hole then fitted the panel pin then drilled next hole and so on just to keep it all nicely lined up. a little tricky as the new bit got pushed back slightly when the drill got to it. these are the panel pins





here they are pulling the panels together



in 2 areas the old panel sits proud of the new, not sure if you can really se it in photos





this is where the joddled lip is sitting over the foam seal and pushing the old metal out slightly. I decided to make 2 cut outs in the joddled lip in these areas when I took the panel off to drill the holes around the wheel arch opening



heres the repair which will be seen from inside the bus





that pretty discrete I'd say ;D

I've been clamping the outer sill on through out all this to help get the lines right but it has always been obvious that the outer sill does not have a great profile - another bit to modify!! Theres also a few little gaps that I may have to do soemthing about before final fitting and welding. Dont really just want to plug them full of mig.





this bit will be a bit tricky the panel pins should tighten up the gap a bit but it will take a bit of time to get right. I scraped some sealent off the floor lip today and realised that the outer arch will probably not sit hard up against the floor lip due to where this sealer was, in hind sight I probably could have joddled this joint too, it would have been well hidden and taken up the slight gap...never mind.

lastly I gave the inside of the arch panel a coat of epoxy mastic. I gave it a second coat today so not really done much else to it today other than watch paint dry :

oh yea, stuck the old bits of foam back on using dinitrol seam sealer.

will post some pics of the inside painted and foam seal tomorrow.......and hopefully with it tacked in place

 

Star wars fact: General Fish head is actually called Admiral Ackbar in the film, Diddymen knew this and didn’t have to google it after he’d already called the character general fish head


General Fishhead: Battle stations every one, the Death star is here

Hand Solo: How did they find us

Ob Wan: it might have been that sticker on the back of the Falcon which said “Death Star - follow this bus”

Princess Diddymen: I thought you were dead

Ob Wan: yea long story, basically Im a ghost now and I can go any where and see you where ever you are

Princess Diddymen: Any where?

Ob Wan: any where

Princess Diddymen: even when Im in the shower?

Ob Wan: even when your in the shower

Princess Diddymen: were you watching me last night?

Ob Wan: yes

Princess Diddymen: look, I was getting ready for bed with my clothes off and I fell onto that vacuume cleaner, it was an accident ok!

Ob Wan: it didn’t look that way to me

Princess Diddymen (changing subject): so have you got any wise words for me for the battle against rust??

Ob Wan:

 

.........and after further googling it turns out general fishhead doesnt appear until the 3rd film - the return of the Zedi and was never in the first starwars film at all...............

 

Lunch time post!!!!!

Oct 25th 2010

Got it on........but on with my usual preamble first :

Bad day!!! youngest Diddyman was sick all night at his Nans so we had to get him early this morning. Mrs Diddymen suggested politely to not even think of working on the bus today or else I can sleep in it tonight

After all day of me moaning she finaly gave permission at 3 o'clock I probably lost half an hour setting up and doing a coulpe of blobs of mig onto the battery tray. Then my parents came round, Dad wanted something out of the garage....which was at the bottom of a pile of tools and parts which he didn't want to disturb :

Finally got it fitted up and started tacking it on. It was all too easy to rush things but I sayed as calm as I could....even though the light was starting to fade.

long story...well not quite as long its on. A little bit of distortion in a few place some of which I'll have to live with.

Heres the pics (which I've had to turn up the contrast on as it was getting dark)



theres a bit of distortion on the top corner (later found out this wasnt due to distortion but to a dent further up under some filler ........which I should have stripped right back in the first place!)



back bit lines up quite nicely



I can feel a ridge across this bottom bit, not sure if its not completly ground down or if I didn't pull the bits close enough together. I think I'm gona slit this bit and bump it into shap with a hammer then re weld it



Heres a profile veiw, and you can see some distortion, not sure how much I can "dress" with a hammer, might have to live with it and use filler



one learning point I found, using the panel pins or "aero clamps" if you weld too close the plastic melts : luckilly. If Id done these bits first then as the plastic melted the pins would release a bit. luckilly Id got enough tacks welds for this not to happen

 

November 4th 2010.......

Such is the cost of working out doors without a cover



The MG has been running rough so been tinkering in the evenings and not had time to update the weekends work...which wasnt much

I slit open the bottom of the rear arch again and hammered it here and there, welded up and ground down....it's a little bit better but I can still feel a slight ridge....gonna have to live with it and let the filler sort it out.



Bumped back a few bit on the top - still a little distortion but I think the filler will take it up



The top corner of the arch is a different story. on examining the area I found a large dent (large in area not depth) its fairly shallow and bulges out. I think judging from where the centre is that something inside the bus has hit this panel pushing it out slightly...there are a few other dents inside to support this. Dont know why I didnt spot it earlier I think the heat from welding must have extendid the bump to the joint in the new panel lifting it slightly.



I'm going to leave it for now and make myself a slapping hammer and try to flatten it when I do the fillering.

Next gave it a coat of rust treatment (after wire brusing off the rust I let happen :emb) then some epoxy mastic to protect it over the winter......it then started raining which has marked the paint...not too bothered as I will strip it all off again before final painting







Sat and Sunday were a bit of a wash out due to weather....I think I was moaning about it this time last year :

I'd already started chopping the front arch and seat belt mount so continued around here



here the seat belt repair nearly cut to size. You can see that the rear lip does not line up particually well



the lip isn't stamped out as cleanly as the original either. Not as good as the other side even though they came from the same supplier anyway it just about fits now...then I got rained off for the rest of the week end.

The next bit I looked at was the bit that goes down behind the front arch. The bit that tapers in behind the arch, the bit I cant remember haw far down it tapers.......so I thought I'd better get a front arch so I can line things up

So onto the front arch..............yes I know what your thinking :

....I was wondering if I could save the rest of the arch and weld a new bit in here.....but just found out that the new ones come complete with the step. So I bought a complete one (genuine)

I had thought about keeping the step as its in good condition but there was this bit where the repair arch isn't the same profile as the original



The step looks pretty good, having only been replaced a few years before I bought it



So, unusually for me Im thinking of chopping the whole lot off incl the step. I've heard that you have to cut down the step and bend it over a bit, but is there any other modification needed??

fingers crossed for a dry weekend

 

Narrator: after a pause to google and consult a starwars nerd at work, the fighters assume the attack formation and begin making their runs…………..

Red Leader: red leader standing by

Gold Leader: gold leader standing by

General fishhead: begin the attack

Narrator: Gold formation has first go ……… with a blatant copy and paste from wookiepedia…….my new 2nd favourite internet site............

Gold 2: the guns - they've stopped!

Gold 5: Stabilize your rear deflectors... Watch for enemy fighters.

Gold leader: They're coming in! Three marks at 2-10!
[Gold Two is slain by Darth Vader and his wingmen; Gold Leader starts to panic]

Gold leader: It's no good, I can't manoeuvre!

Gold 5: Stay on target.

Gold leader: We're too close!

Gold 5: Stay on target.

Gold leader: Loosen up!
[he too is picked off by Vader and Company; Gold Five tries to escape but is fatally winged]

Gold 5: Gold Five to Red leader, lost Tiree, lost Dutch.

Red leader: I copy, Gold Leader

Gold 5: It came from... behind!

C3PO: I had that trouble at the week end sir

R2D2: wooooooooooo

Ob Wan: I knew he’d say that

Princess Diddymen: Ben! You’re here

OB Wan: Yes, were you not listening what I said earlier??? Now stop picking your nose, you’ve got a job to do..........

 

Nov 7th 2010

Only had a few hours today before it got dark.

Started on the closing panel for the b post, the bit that sits behind the front arch.

Bent some metal to the right shape (this is the off cut but you get the idea)



I then bent it closer to the correct shape and welded it to another bit of metal



think I might have to weld a bit more on the bottom as its a bit short...doh!.

next started on the outer B post



got the panel from JK. nice profile, width correct but it doesnt extend in to the seal chanel.

You can see a larger gap



that didnt matter on the other side but I've had to extend this side with some more metal...pics to follow
got my new arch



found the "lip" I've got to remove



heres some photos of the step as it is now





Its a bit scruffy but quite solid. I think I'll get it looking a bit neater when I re do it though (hopefully).

The door shut lines are good and I hope I can get them pretty close to this with a new door and new arch





Obviously going to have some A post repair work to do



It will be almost a shame to get rid of the green growth it adds a nice pattina....is that wrong of me???

 

Nov 8th 2010..............

todays work then.......

heres the bit welded onto the B post outer



and here it is welded on





the gap is now gone.

trimmed up the closing panel and loosly fitted (it is too short : )



will have to extend it with some metal

and here it is painted (closing panel not fitted yet)



not a great pic as it was getting dark so I had to turn up the contrast again. I've not welded the bottom yet just in case I have to tweek it when I do the wheel arch.

Think I'll do the outer sill next as I've been wanting to get it on for a while.......and Im on leave tomorrow

 

Narrator: meanwhile on the Death star…….


Commander 1 (baddie): We've analyzed their attack, sir, and there is a danger. Should I have your ship standing by?

Governor Tarkin (baddie): Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances, they would need a giant potato to stop the death star……………

Narrator: the attack on the death star continues………….

Red 2: You’re the only one with any potatoes big enough to block the death stars exhaust pipe, Its up to you now

Princess Diddymen: I’m starting my run

Yoda: far from camper van restoration these references have become

Princess Diddymen: what are you doing here?

Yoda: R2 let me in

Princess Diddymen:: my seats all wet

Yoda: toilet I could not find

Princess Diddymen:: that’s disgusting!!!

Yoda: but warm it will keep you hmmmm

Princess Diddymen: this is so off putting!!!

Ob Wan: Use the force….

Princess Diddymen: I thought you were going to save that line for when I was removing the steering drag link arm??

Ob Wan: don’t worry no one is reading this rubbish any way I can repeat the line later, no one will notice repeated lines

R2D2: beep beep whistle

Ob Wan: I knew he’d say that

To be continued...........

 

Over the radio…….

General fish head: you’ve turned off your targeting computer what’s wrong??

Princess Diddymen: Nothing Im fine, just using the force

General fish head: We’ve spent millions on you’re targeting computer and your turning it off?

Princess Diddymen: yea?

General fish head: you’ve got the last giant potato, our only hope to stop the Death star and your turning off your targeting computer in favour of the force?

Princess Diddymen: yea

General fish head: and what is the logic behind your decision???

Princess Diddymen: A wise old ghost who watches me shower told me to…….and he glows in the dark you know

General fish head: is there some one up there with you, whats that noise???

Princess Diddymen: yea that’s Yoda, he’s singing “I will Survive” by Gloria Gaynor

Yoda: Afraid I was at first, Petrified I was then hmmm. feel too well I don’t, can we pull over??

Princess Diddymen: we’re nearly there

General fishhead: General fishhead to R2D2, come in R2D2, when you get close enough I need you to launch the potato into the death stars exhaust pipe, Princess Diddymen has completely lost it and I need you to take over

R2D2: beep beep whistle

General Fishhead: I knew you’d say that
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Hand Solo: Princess Diddymen look out, Darth Vader is right behind you, I’ll just shoot the side of his fighter so he will spin off into space but not kill him so he can come back in the sequels

Princess Diddymen: Hand, I thought you weren’t going to help!!! …..good shooting

Cheewie: grrrrrrruuuuuue

Hand Solo: your all clear kid, its up to you

Ob Wan: use the force……..

 

Still not got round to putting the outer sill on :sad<br /><br />A wet weekend kept me inside most of the time I can see this happening most weekends from now untill april<br /><br />first then the "better" pics of the B post outer<br /><br /><br /><br />the missing captive nut for the belly pan attached with a blob of weld<br /><br /><br /><br />some brackets and captive nuts for the belly pans welded on (crudely :emb) and painted<br /><br />forward -<br /><br /><br /><br />Aft - <br /><br /><br /><br />Closing panel extended, trimmed to size then joddled<br /><br /><br /><br />I decided to make the joddled lip a bit deeper as there is a lip of the old closing panel still welded to the B post outer flange which I'm going to leave as I'll make more of a mess trying to get it off. I made the joddle nearly twice the depth it usually does by making some "extensions" for my joddler - crude and fiddly to use but effective<br /><br /><br /><br />I now also need to re paint the inside of the closing panel again as joddling damaged the paint which was still a bit soft<br /><br /><br /><br />I've decided that I will weld the closing panel on before the outer sill as this way I can still get in to repaint where any bits of paint have burnt away. Then the outer can go on....after I figure out how best to get it to shape.<br /><br />And thats it

 

Nov 23rd 2010......

I have to say that I'm quite pleased with this weekends work.

The weather was dry....but cold....humm would have been good weather to have done that rear outer arch. Funny how some weekends you spend quite a bit of time and don't seem to get much done when you look at the results - other weekends you work a bit more leisurly and seem to get loads done...any way I'm rambling.....on with the update

Finally got the closing panel on



left the lip a little bit long untill it was all welded in



then bent it over and gave the lot a good coat of epoxy





Coated inside the sills where any paint would have burnt off

Next I thought I could get on with the outer sill.....of coarse there was other bits to do first. Forgot I didn't weld the edge of the rear arch to the C post as I didn't remove the door when I did it. So the door had to come off so I could get in to weld it up



Then noticed a couple of spots I left when I did the sliding door track/sill/runner cos I put the door on for a trial fit then welded the rest up but didn't take the door off to get these last ones



Got em all welded up then ground back



next clamped the outer sill in place, marked up where to cut the ends to make the seal channel continuous







On and off a couple of times then welded in





Profile where it meets the B post isnt perfect but I think a light skim of filler will get it better





where it meets the C post isnt too bad





Then a bit of epoxy went on along with the door

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The door does kick out slighty at the bottom due to the rust other than that its pretty good I think.





was difficult to grind down the welds in the seal channel





So what to do next??? probably carry on with chopping out the front arch, maybee get the seat belt mount on. Also got to do the rear outrigger I keep forgetting about......and the lower rear section of the front inner arch

So still quite a bit :'(

Laters all

 

Narrator: the battle continues………………….

Death Star Main broad cast: 1 minute to firing position

General fishhead: what’s happening up there, this scene seems to be going on for ages…..far too long in fact

Princess Diddymen: I’m going as fast as I can but these things only go to up 55

Yoda: are we there yet??

General fishhead: well hurry up, the readers are getting board

Princess Diddymen: I’m sure I can smell fuel every time I go round the corner

Death Star Main broad cast: 30 seconds to firing position

Ob Wan Use the force

Yoda: are we there yet?

Princess Diddymen: Potato away!!!!!!

Death Star Main broad cast: 10 seconds to firing position

General fish head: get out of there!! quickly

Yoda: are we there yet?

Narrator: R2D2 lets the potato loose and it lodges into the Death Stars exhaust pipe just as it is about to fire…………bang (it explodes) and every one goes back to Yavin 4 for a party as I cant be bothered to describe the explosion in detail.

General fishhead: good work every one, I don’t think we’ll be seeing the likes of them again

Cheewie: gggrrrruuuuu
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Hand Solo: I couldn’t agree more cheewie

Yoda: at last, finished the terrible star wars references are. No more silly posts there will be.

Princess Diddymen: Oh I don’t know, I still think there is a bit of mileage in it yet, we could always go for a Pirate theme next “Captain Diddymen and the Curse of the Brown Pearl”…..I’m sure Ob Zed Kenobi wants me to carry on

Yoda: Please noooo

C3PO: oooh R2 I was so worried about you

R2D2: beep whistle beep beep wooo

Every one: ……….K+ for first person to post what every one said to R2 (just to check you’ve been following)


The End.......or is it??????

 

Not much done this weekend or last so I'll fill up this post with loads of pics so you think I've done more than I have :

did a little bit to the lower wheel arch/seat bulkhead lower bit....well cut some out





Not sure what to do with this bit yet, might take the cut up a little....and it really should continue back to cover some of the front cross member under the bus ....didn't really fancy getting back under there - especially in this cold we've had lately....oh well might put it off for a bit

chopped most of the front arch out now



still got some of it remaining around the step and A post



A post will need some work by the looks of it....not as bad as I'd expected though



started work on the patches on the cab floor



what a surprise....patches over patches



once cut out I could only wonder why so many patches were used??? and why cover such a big area of good metal??



The PO said all this work had been done by a local VW specialist....along with the sills etc make you wonder some times..........mind you there were no headed recipts to back this up

Next I thought I'd do some thing easy (yea right...its a 30+ yr old VW!!!) like take the rear bumper off. I gave the bolts a squirt of penitrating oil as they were solid.....exept for one...I'll get to that in a bit..

Not budging I decided to grind off the bolts holding bumper to mounting irons rather than take the whole lot off together....bumper came off.



big pipe on ratchet and the first bumper mount was off. One bolt on the other one came off the same way but the last one was spinning guess the weld had broken and nut must be seized on inside I used some leaverage between chassis and bumper mount incase that might help hold the nut and stop it spinning......no!!...ok then it will have to be the grinder between chassis and bumper mount to cut through bolt...had some sucsess but couldnt get all the way through. tried again using a screw driver to maintain the gap........and the metal sort of came away in my hand :-[ ......still attached to bumper mount....had to make a small cut to separate the last bit



the bumper mounts look pretty good really....was quite surprised how substantial they were



what was left behind (or rather not left behind)





I knew there'd be a bit of work back here but Im thinking it may be a bit more than just rear corners (in reality it was a hell of a lot of work)







and lastly one with the snowman to show I really did have an excuse for not doing much........well the remains of the snowman after my 4yr old had kicked its head in!!



I really want to make a start on the back now.....but I know I should finish off a few bits first....got to do that out rigger I keep forgetting :-[

 

a post from Jan 5th 2011 .....at least we're in the right year now ........

First then a few pics of the little work I got done the 2 weeks before christmas.
near side seatbelt welded in



still got to do the back edge where it meets the bulkhead but I'll do this when the arch goes on to give me a litte "play" in the area

then cleaned up the wheel arch tub, scraping off under seal and cleaning up with white spirit





came up pretty well.

then put the last few stitch welds to the rear of the outer sill (no pics of that)
and that was pretty much it

Didn't get too much done over Christmas either probably about 9hrs in total
finished cleaning up the welds on the seat belt mount and painted it, thought I'd got some photos of it.....but obviously not :-[

next was the last outrigger to go on

before



new out rigger drilled for welding and painted inside



and I also forgot to take pics of it fitted and painted :-[ I'll get some at the weekend......if I remember :

more poking around the front wheel arch tub and found more work



only a little bit though...

Then went back to weld in the patch on the rear mud guard which I'd tacked in a while back.



not perfect but as I was chasing around a hole I kept blowing in it and rebuilding most of the mud flap with MIG I decided to leave it at that. I sould have just bought a new panel and welded that on....lesson lernt :-[ (remember what I said about buying a complete rear tub?? I still had to repair a large section for the seat belt mount too)

gave the front top hat another coat of paint and a bit more grinding back of old excessive welds still got to weld the lower part of the bulkhead over it yet but I will go back to this bit every now and then when I can't get on with other bits.





decided to attack the rear corner next



a bit or rot lurking under neath



the battery tray looks solid enough I may get away with giving it a go over with the wire brush then rust treat and paint.....although I do have a new one I bought a while back

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next, as I was in the area, decided to chop off this nasty little rust bubble





and heres what its like behind





not to happy about that, looks like I'll have to chop out quite a bit to fix it up or just to get to it properly any advice greatly appreciated...

lastly, the last week before christmas I took some bits to work to shot blast one of them being the front belly pan which looked in a similar state to the battery tray, but it came out well a few small dents banged out then painted and it looks pretty good





so now Im stuck about what to do on the rear...mainly how Im going to repair that bit under the outer skin......untill next time ;D