A step back from the EU

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Baydreams, Dec 10, 2011.

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  3. It seems that the Labour party and certain EU leaders are now slating Cameron for isolating the UK from the EU. Oh really? The [glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300]FACT[/glow][/glow] is that the EU is suffering a terrible disease. Let's not forget that. Any fool will know that isolating yourself from a disease is in [glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300]FACT[/glow][/glow] a very good idea. Especially so when that disease is likely to be terminal.
     
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    So we make the decisions do we -- when you go to your chosen supermarket do you buy what you sourced or what they sourced - is your purchase really your decision or is it the pick of a limited choice .

    We are too willing to accept responsibility for others and their greed , a Greek protester asked , " where is my money ,i paid my taxes , i have savings , i am a good citizen , why am i having to bail out banks ?.
     
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  11. The quote function does not seem to want to work. Either that, or it's the Laphroaig interfering with my internet ability.

    I too am broadly in favour of European integration, but I do strongly object to the anti-democratic way in which integration has been pursued. In not trusting or not being able to pursuade their electorates, European Governments have resorted to duping us into believing that we could have both a stable Euro and sovereign control of our own economies. The UK is not in the Euro, and therefore current changes in the operation of the Euro are irrelevant in legislative terms. However, as you say, they are highly important in terms of the UK economy and UK trade. I trade with the Euro zone as the basis of my business - the Euro zone economies and the exchange rate matter to me in actual cash terms.

    The current 'solution' to the Euro crisis is not actualy a solution, since it still falls short of proper integration. There is no other solution apart from integration. The Gremans and the French seem afraid of true European democracy, since it may result in a type of economy that they do not want. The same goes for the UK - our economy is not run in the same way as many European economies and we are nervous of the changes that may occur if we were to be governed by a democratically elected European Government.

    As stated, we should either move forward to integration or back to a loose free trade area, or common market.

    So, as to Cameron, I believe that he is correct to drop out of the current "negotiations" as they are doomed. However, I do not agree with the underlying anti-European mood of the Tories in general and would prefer to be more involved in the European project, as long as it is a truly democratic and transparent process.
     
  12. I wonder whether proper attention was paid to the state and style of the different EU economies before the creation of the Euro? I know there were criteria, but in retrospect I suspect that in an eagerness to make it work maybe the difference between northern and southern European economies was ignored? I think that we are better off not in the Euro too. The Swedes are also probably quite glad they voted 'no' in a referendum a few years ago too.
     

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