A step back from the EU

I know some would prefer that we just stick to discussions about our beloved campers. And to a certain extent I agree. But I just gotta say that I feel, for the first time in years, we've got a PM with real balls. Churchill springs to mind. Good on ya David Cameron. The proposed EU treaty looks only to the future. It entirely fails to address the current crisis. Mark my words. Italy will pull the Euro down. I predict that will happen around February / March 2012. Why should we in the UK pay billions towards that? Or, why should we be forced to pay billions in an attempt to prop it up, with a high chance of it later failing and pulling us down with it. The further we distance ourselves from the Euro now, the better off we'll be.

 

So what you tring to tell me, to cash in my euros now or wait when the pound is worth more.
I've got quite a few still.

 

We're already distanced from the Euro, in that we're not in it. It's whether or not a Tory government will be able to keep us close to the EU, or whether we will become increasingly marginalised on the the sidelines. The world has moved on immensely since the last Tory government sadly the Tories don't seem to recognise that, and Cameron's 'balls' will just end up dragging us down.

 

Apart from both being PM I'm not sure there is any similarity between Churchill and Cameron ... let's hope that the current PM has done this for the right reasons and not just to protect his eton chums in the city.

Enough from me on this subject ... back to camper vans

 

bit of a thread mix here, but I'd like to punch Sarkozy in the face..........

 

Its taken Germany nearly 100 years and two world wars but they've finally got what they want, power over the rest of europe, other countries cant blink now without asking them if its ok

 

The latest propsals don't actually achieve anything. Stricter "rules" for the non Geman countries to ignore / avoid and no mechanism for the proper economic integration (Grovernment, taxes & spending) that is a necessity for a single currency. Cameron backed out of this deal for 2 reasons. Firstly, it is irrelevant to us, since we are not in the Euro. Second, the Germans want to set up a bailout fund that will be used for the bad sovereign debts owed by Euro zone countries, paid for by a tax on our banks. We have our own banking transaction tax, to pay for our own crap. The Euro zone never offered us cash when we wre in the poo and their mismanagement is not down to us to sort out.

This isn't anti Euro, or anti European, its just the facts of the situation that we are in.

 

I agree that it's going to take a few months to pan out before we know what the implications are.

One thing I am pretty sure about, is that, if Germany wants this power there is going to be a big price to pay by the German people, and that is not going to go down well in Germany.

Nothing that has happened in the last couple of days had addressed the immediate problem, only future ones.

 

I think part of the "potential" issue about not being part of this is the perception / media view point that the uk is not playing ball, the wider implications in business is that companies "choose" others over the uk

 

i didnt think cameron had the balls to just say no ....good on the geezer ,what britain needs is a pm that wont take crap from the euro lot ,they have pulled europe apart and took every euro country apart with there stupid rules.....exactley i dont wanna pay for the italians to be bailed out ,i dont wanna pay for the greeks either ...infact i want to pay english taxes so english people benefit full stop .........and im half spanish ....so theres no racism here ,just pure brit-ness...long live winston cameron

 

A lot of the reason why some EU countries are in the mess they're in is because they simply don't generate sufficient tax revenue. That's because tax dodging is rife. Sure, it goes on in the UK, but not as much as you'd think nowadays, nor anywhere near that of Greece, Italy and all the Eastern European countries (which is where my wife comes from, so I know exactly what goes on there). Why should we pay for other EU governments' failings? Personally, I've always sat on the fence where Europe is concerned. I'm certainly no 'Euro-sceptic' though. That said, I'm comforted in the knowledge that we've got a top PM who refuses to shy away from taking the toughest of decisions. When the election was held, for a couple of days no-one knew who'd be PM. There was even talk of Labour doing a deal with the Liberals. I kind of thought 'don't do it, Cameron, there's so many massive problems to deal with that you'll go down in history as the most unpopular PM ever'. Fair play to the guy. He's doing a stirling job.

 

I'm with Cameron on this. Don't like the man and I don't really like his policies but I did cheer. Europe are panicking because they are in a mess. They all wanted into the Euro ad now all of a sudden The big nations are slating Greece and looking to boot others out because of they are the ones who have to assist.

It's all about greed. The U.K. will not be left behind. It will only be a matter of time before some of the others pull out realising that they are not erring such a good deal after all.

You have to put your own home in order bore you can help others.