Caroline Flack found dead

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by the2ems, Feb 15, 2020.

  1. Important ? Probably not. Famous ?? Maybe. Personally I could have walked past her in the street and wouldn't have had a clue who she was.
     
  2. Pudelwagen

    Pudelwagen Supporter

    Poor woman got a lot of flak from the boyfriend saga.
     
  3. Coat!
     
  4. Merlin Cat

    Merlin Cat Moderator

    She was important to family and friends I imagine. Whatever the situation was with her assault case the problem with social media imho is the public vitriol that can continue without consequence.

    RIP
     
  5. That's the crux of the problem isn't it? We used to have trial by media, but now we have trial by social media, which is especially harsh, if you're a celeb.
     
  6. Pudelwagen

    Pudelwagen Supporter

    For oldies like us who had lives before social media, we just ignore the abuse but for those born into it who can't even blink in case they miss something on their phone, cyber bullying is a real problem.
     
  7. Her 'management team ' have criticised the CPS for not dropping the court case.

    Fame does not elevate you above the law.

    Instead of playing the blame game, perhaps her 'management team' should have paid more attention to her obvious mental health issues and also kept her away from social media, which she wouldn't do.
     
  8. Why can’t people just be decent to each other? There are too many folk who just want to knock down anyone who has a little success.
     
  9. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Supporter and teachers pet

    The victim of the alleged crime didn't want to pursue it apparently. I understand CPS might still prosecute if they think there's a public interest to do so, still, on the face of it, and I of course, like everyone else, do not know the full circumstances of what was, at this stage, just an unproven allegation, it's arguable the CPS could have put their energies elsewhere. No one is above the law is true, but the letter of the law is not always pursued. It's not always in the public interest to do so. I also think her "obvious" mental health issues mightn't have been obvious to anyone but Caroline.
     
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  10. Allegedly hitting someone with a table lamp whilst they are asleep is an obvious mental health issue to me, and would certainly be in the public interest to pursue.

    I've had a tear-up in the past that resulted in a court case that neither of us wanted, never mind the fine and criminal record that came with it, but neither of us tried to shirk out of it as we were both guilty!


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    Having thought about it a bit - I have never watched any of her shows and wouldn't have recognised her if she had passed me in the street, so it's not appropriate to speculate on her personal circumstances, but I just don't get the outpouring of virtual, detatched grief that social media generates.
     
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  11. I can't imagine why people use Instagram, Twitter, etc. Goes with the territory if you're in the public eye, I suppose - and in that biz you need to stay in the public eye - but you know every scummy troll in their bedrooms are going to come after you.
     
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  12. It is a double edge sword . They crave the attention and social media with daily constant posts about their entire lives ,then blame it when things go wrong . Very sad . Nothing is worth killing yourself for ....
     
  13. Moons

    Moons Supporter

    It’s sad that anyone takes their own life, whatever the trigger.


    As for her management team, they’ll get their 10%, and there’s undoubtedly several people in the queue ready for the meat grinder. Blaming the CPS for doing their job is pathetic.


    I feel sorry for her genuine friends and family.
     
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  14. Jules65

    Jules65 Supporter

    All allegations of domestic assault have to be dealt with by the police in a certain way now and the attending officers must activate their body warn cameras as they arrive so as to capture the scene, the injuries of all involved and all comments/allegations made by all the people/witnesses in the house as well as all/any replies to a specific series of questions that are asked. In addition positive action has to be taken irrespective of the victim refusing to make a complaint.
    All this is because of allegations that the Police have failed Domestic Violence victims in the past resulting in a fair bit of discretion being removed. If at all possible and prior to the interviewing of the suspect, all witness statements and video footage, initial phone recordings are obtained so that they can be read/played to the suspect. Following the interview the interview itself is summarised along with what the video/recordings show and a member of the CPS is sent a copy to make a decision. On occasions the CPS will want longer to review the case and this is where Domestic Violence Protection Notices and Domestic Violence Protection Orders are often used (especially when a victim will not make a complaint yet the evidence supports the initial allegation).

    I appreciate that with Miss Flack she has not been proven to be guilty and she denied the allegation......but on the day of the alleged incident her partner did phone the police, the police did attend and sufficient evidence was found resulting in an arrest being made. I have seen that the boyfriend has stated he did not wish to make a formal complaint and did not want her to go to court and I would suspect as such that a DVPN/DVPO was issued. It could well be that had someone advised Miss Flack to admit to what may well have been a mistake/out of character act/provoked incident, she could have received a ‘caution’ and the stress from that chapter in her life would have been over (assuming she didn’t have a history of violence as a perpetrator)

    I suspect that the CPS were doing their job inline with the current legislation and evidence put before them. If they were using her high profile as a way to promote Police action against Domestic Violence then that should be looked at. In addition if a solicitor or her management team have advised her to fight/deny the matter then perhaps they should look at themselves (if the allegation/impending court case was the only catalyst that drove her to do what she did).

    Irrespective of who is to blame in causing her mind set (if anyone is), what has occurred is a sad thing. The shame is that she is not the only one in such a position in their life and there are people around us all suffering in silence. Some people don’t share their lives on social media yet still have mental health issues.
     
  15. Merlin Cat

    Merlin Cat Moderator

    I guess her job was one that required her to use social media @Jules65
     
  16. Barry Haynes

    Barry Haynes I dance in leopard skin mankini’s

    domestic violence happens to men as well as women :(
     
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  17. everybody is important
     
  18. Not to most people...but to the people she left behind yes...
    As a friend of mine decided not that long ago he couldn't handle things and took his own life I only can think of the ones close to her NOT all the flakes that are crying I will miss her so much bulb bulb.. that have never met her spoke to her or knows shi## all about her....
     
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  19. Agreed, trial by social media starts with the premise that you are guilty, and probably are still guilty even if a jury find you innocent. She clearly had serious mental issues poor girl.
     
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